TSA is starting that RealID stuff again...
Jan 22, 2018, 1:24 am
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While this might not be totally on topic, I will say that one thing to consider for WA's EDL is that there are some privacy concerns since the license emits a signal that can be read up to several feet away.
The best bang for your buck in WA is to probably get a Nexus card for $50.
The best bang for your buck in WA is to probably get a Nexus card for $50.
Jan 22, 2018, 9:33 pm
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While this might not be totally on topic, I will say that one thing to consider for WA's EDL is that there are some privacy concerns since the license emits a signal that can be read up to several feet away.
The best bang for your buck in WA is to probably get a Nexus card for $50.
The best bang for your buck in WA is to probably get a Nexus card for $50.
Source: I have, in my possession at this moment, all three cards and their associated sleeves.
Jan 22, 2018, 9:50 pm
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While this might not be totally on topic, I will say that one thing to consider for WA's EDL is that there are some privacy concerns since the license emits a signal that can be read up to several feet away.
The best bang for your buck in WA is to probably get a Nexus card for $50.
The best bang for your buck in WA is to probably get a Nexus card for $50.
May 7, 2018, 9:26 am
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Aug 1, 2018, 7:54 pm
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A wiki might be nice as either the 10/2018 or 10/2020 deadlines approach.
Here's what I know. American Samoa driver's licenses will not be acceptable starting February 5, 2018 per press release of 1/19/2018. https://www.dhs.gov/news/2018/01/19/...id-enforcement It is possible that there might be some delays and leeway (or no leeway) until May 6, 2018 because DHS says the TSA will provide assistance, whatever that is. American Samoa becomes the first territory or state that the driver's license is no good to fly.
New York driver's licenses issued October 30, 2017 and later are accepted as are enhanced driver's licenses. Driver's licenses that are not enhanced and issued before 10/30/17 will not be allowable to fly as of October 1, 2020.
Washington state enhanced driver's license are Real ID compliant. Non-enhanced ones are not and are usable to fly until October 10, 2018 but it is expected to be enforced as of October 1, 2020. Washington state has no plans to become compliant, asking people to get enhanced driver's licenses. https://www.dhs.gov/real-id/washington and Passport to fly domestically? What Washington residents need to know KIRO-TV
California is up against the same deadlines as Washington state, technically October 10, 2018 but practically October 1, 2020. California does not have enhanced driver's licenses.
The cheapest way if from a non-compliant state seems to be:
1. passport, if you already have one and need one for travel. Extra costs: none, because you already have a passport.
2. enhanced driver's license (only a few states, such as WA, MN, MI, NY, VT). WA state is $24 more expensive than a regular driver's license, good for 6 years
3. NEXUS card $50 (good for at least 5 years, up to 5 year, 11 months). An interview has to be done at a NEXUS office, located only in areas near the Canadian border.
4. Passport card $55 (good for 10 years), $30 if you apply with passport application. Applying with a passport application is the cheapest per year solution if you don't want to carry a passport.
5. Global Entry card $100 (good for 5 years)
6. Passport $110 + $25 if the first time applying or lost expired passport
Here's what I know. American Samoa driver's licenses will not be acceptable starting February 5, 2018 per press release of 1/19/2018. https://www.dhs.gov/news/2018/01/19/...id-enforcement It is possible that there might be some delays and leeway (or no leeway) until May 6, 2018 because DHS says the TSA will provide assistance, whatever that is. American Samoa becomes the first territory or state that the driver's license is no good to fly.
New York driver's licenses issued October 30, 2017 and later are accepted as are enhanced driver's licenses. Driver's licenses that are not enhanced and issued before 10/30/17 will not be allowable to fly as of October 1, 2020.
Washington state enhanced driver's license are Real ID compliant. Non-enhanced ones are not and are usable to fly until October 10, 2018 but it is expected to be enforced as of October 1, 2020. Washington state has no plans to become compliant, asking people to get enhanced driver's licenses. https://www.dhs.gov/real-id/washington and Passport to fly domestically? What Washington residents need to know KIRO-TV
California is up against the same deadlines as Washington state, technically October 10, 2018 but practically October 1, 2020. California does not have enhanced driver's licenses.
The cheapest way if from a non-compliant state seems to be:
1. passport, if you already have one and need one for travel. Extra costs: none, because you already have a passport.
2. enhanced driver's license (only a few states, such as WA, MN, MI, NY, VT). WA state is $24 more expensive than a regular driver's license, good for 6 years
3. NEXUS card $50 (good for at least 5 years, up to 5 year, 11 months). An interview has to be done at a NEXUS office, located only in areas near the Canadian border.
4. Passport card $55 (good for 10 years), $30 if you apply with passport application. Applying with a passport application is the cheapest per year solution if you don't want to carry a passport.
5. Global Entry card $100 (good for 5 years)
6. Passport $110 + $25 if the first time applying or lost expired passport
Anybody else planning to tell the TSA and DMV to kiss off?
Aug 1, 2018, 8:32 pm
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There are currently massive lines at many California DMV offices (think several hours) which is attributed in part to the millions of people who want RealID licenses (the current versions do not qualify). To get one you have to bring several documents including passports or certified birth certificates, SSN cards, utility bills, etc. Personally I do not plan to waste my time standing in these lines if I am allowed to renew my current DL by mail (as is usually the case). I am happy to use my Passport, Passport Card or GE Card at TSA checkpoints and of course my children don't need any ID when traveling within the USA.
Anybody else planning to tell the TSA and DMV to kiss off?
Anybody else planning to tell the TSA and DMV to kiss off?
My only concern is the stigma of a "federal limits apply" license. I am "brown" and while I was born in the US, most of my family wasn't. What if a bouncer at a bar sees my license, which will look exactly like an AB60 license, and decides not to admit me because 'merica?
Aug 1, 2018, 9:45 pm
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That's my plan. I'm not up for renewal until next year, but if the lines haven't subsided by then, I will get a "regular" license and use my passport or GE card at airports.
My only concern is the stigma of a "federal limits apply" license. I am "brown" and while I was born in the US, most of my family wasn't. What if a bouncer at a bar sees my license, which will look exactly like an AB60 license, and decides not to admit me because 'merica?
My only concern is the stigma of a "federal limits apply" license. I am "brown" and while I was born in the US, most of my family wasn't. What if a bouncer at a bar sees my license, which will look exactly like an AB60 license, and decides not to admit me because 'merica?
Aug 1, 2018, 10:33 pm
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There are currently massive lines at many California DMV offices (think several hours) which is attributed in part to the millions of people who want RealID licenses (the current versions do not qualify). To get one you have to bring several documents including passports or certified birth certificates, SSN cards, utility bills, etc. Personally I do not plan to waste my time standing in these lines if I am allowed to renew my current DL by mail (as is usually the case). I am happy to use my Passport, Passport Card or GE Card at TSA checkpoints and of course my children don't need any ID when traveling within the USA.
My only concern is the stigma of a "federal limits apply" license. I am "brown" and while I was born in the US, most of my family wasn't. What if a bouncer at a bar sees my license, which will look exactly like an AB60 license, and decides not to admit me because 'merica?
I made an appointment online. A convenient time was available at the DMV office closest to my home the week after I received the renewal notice in the mail.
I got to the DMV a few minutes early. I brought my passport, Social Security card and property tax bill. I was in and out in less than half an hour. The new license with the Real ID designation, a bear and yellow star on the upper right hand corner, arrived less than a week later.
Now, people who showed up without appointments stood in a very long line that extended out of the building all the way to the sidewalk.
Aug 2, 2018, 5:28 pm
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Yes. Even without presenting ID-issued and/or approved by the federales, I still get cleared by the TSA after a round of questions and/or alternative “proof” of identification. It will continue to work after October of this year too.
Aug 2, 2018, 5:32 pm
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Not always possible to go to a different bar. I know it's not a huge issue, but it can be a nuisance. And in this day and age, I am somewhat concerned about having an ID that people associate with illegal immigrants. I have a year until my license is up for renewal, so I'm in wait-and-see mode right now.
Aug 2, 2018, 5:51 pm
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I know I've told this story before but once when I went to renew my license, with a whole handful of documents, I encountered a little old man in tears. He was trying to get his license renewed (in my state you don't have a choice, you are required to get a REAL ID license) but was refused because one of his documents, his birth certificate, showed his name as John Smith and another (IIRC it was his Social Security card) as John Joseph Smith, Joseph being his confirmation name. He was told he had to get proof from the church where he was confirmed of the addition of the name Joseph. He told the DMV clerk that he had been confirmed in Italy 60 years prior and didn't have any idea in which church or even where it was.
Basically, he was told "tough luck, you can't renew your driver's license." I also don't know if my state (or DHS) has taken any steps to rectify such idiotic bureaucracy or not.
Basically, he was told "tough luck, you can't renew your driver's license." I also don't know if my state (or DHS) has taken any steps to rectify such idiotic bureaucracy or not.
Aug 3, 2018, 3:00 pm
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I got to the DMV a few minutes early. I brought my passport, Social Security card and property tax bill. I was in and out in less than half an hour. The new license with the Real ID designation, a bear and yellow star on the upper right hand corner, arrived less than a week later.
Now, people who showed up without appointments stood in a very long line that extended out of the building all the way to the sidewalk.
Now, people who showed up without appointments stood in a very long line that extended out of the building all the way to the sidewalk.
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Aug 3, 2018, 3:10 pm
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... He was told he had to get proof from the church where he was confirmed of the addition of the name Joseph. He told the DMV clerk that he had been confirmed in Italy 60 years prior and didn't have any idea in which church or even where it was.
Basically, he was told "tough luck, you can't renew your driver's license." I also don't know if my state (or DHS) has taken any steps to rectify such idiotic bureaucracy or not.
Basically, he was told "tough luck, you can't renew your driver's license." I also don't know if my state (or DHS) has taken any steps to rectify such idiotic bureaucracy or not.
Aug 5, 2018, 12:23 am
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I see that you live in/near LA, but in Bay Area having an appointment does not guarantee such a smooth sailing. Granted you won't have to stand in line that circle the building a few times (as those without an appointment), but most likely you'd still have to allow at least 1.5-2 hours to do whatever you need to do there. I know you are a moderator, but I've got to say that California DMV offices in the Bay resemble more a third-world country than a progressive tech-friendly US state.
Aug 6, 2018, 12:25 pm
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There are currently massive lines at many California DMV offices (think several hours) which is attributed in part to the millions of people who want RealID licenses (the current versions do not qualify). To get one you have to bring several documents including passports or certified birth certificates, SSN cards, utility bills, etc. Personally I do not plan to waste my time standing in these lines if I am allowed to renew my current DL by mail (as is usually the case). I am happy to use my Passport, Passport Card or GE Card at TSA checkpoints and of course my children don't need any ID when traveling within the USA.
Anybody else planning to tell the TSA and DMV to kiss off?
Anybody else planning to tell the TSA and DMV to kiss off?