TSA is starting that RealID stuff again...

Old Dec 20, 16, 9:52 am
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TSA is starting that RealID stuff again...

http://www.travelandleisure.com/airl...cense-tsa-rule

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2016/12/12/...rt-enforcement

TSA tried this a couple of times before and backed down when their deadline approached, didn't they?
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Old Dec 20, 16, 10:10 am
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Actually, this has never really gone away - admittedly, every time TSA has posted a deadline in the past, it has been extended. Whether TSA actually goes through with this, or (like in the past) Congress tells TSA to shut it down or extend it remains to be seen.
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Old Dec 20, 16, 6:01 pm
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So I take my passport with me as I would on an international trip. So, my PA license isn't good enough. Somehow I think I will survive.
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Old Dec 20, 16, 6:45 pm
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The deadline for Real ID has nothing to do with TSA and only a bit to do with DHS. The deadline is set by Congress and extensions have been granted by Congress.

All DHS does is the rules to implement the law. Those are fairly clear and easy.

Blaming TSA for Real ID is like blaming the IRS because you don't like your tax rate.
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Old Dec 20, 16, 6:49 pm
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So I take my passport with me as I would on an international trip. So, my PA license isn't good enough. Somehow I think I will survive.
Good for you. Lots of other people won't be so fortunate.
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Old Dec 21, 16, 7:26 am
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This is an annual thing. They seem to pick like 9 states a year and get some "journalist" to create a fake news story that these 9 states are somehow outliers and ignore that there are only like 7 states that fully comply with RealID.

A number of states have specific laws on the books (PA is but one of them) that prohibit compliance with RealID.

Every year, the "deadline" comes and goes without fanfare and nobody's ID is denied at the airport.
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Old Dec 21, 16, 12:04 pm
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Since this smells so much like "fake news", there's even a snopes entry on the one from last year (which they rated a "mixture" of real and fake):

http://www.snopes.com/politics/traffic/realid.asp
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The T&L article says that MN and WA residents will not be able to use DLs for TSA ID. Assuming no further extensions, this would be true for regular DLs but not true for EDLs which both states also issue. (Same for ID/EID for non-drivers in those states.)

Enhanced DL/ID cards are considered to be REAL ID compliant.
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Old Dec 21, 16, 6:43 pm
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Originally Posted by jfunk138 View Post
This is an annual thing. They seem to pick like 9 states a year and get some "journalist" to create a fake news story that these 9 states are somehow outliers and ignore that there are only like 7 states that fully comply with RealID.

A number of states have specific laws on the books (PA is but one of them) that prohibit compliance with RealID.

Every year, the "deadline" comes and goes without fanfare and nobody's ID is denied at the airport.
Yes, DHS will blink yet again.
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Old Dec 22, 16, 2:24 am
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Yes, DHS will blink yet again.
Yes, as usual when it comes to this governmental obsession over passenger ID.
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Old Dec 22, 16, 10:09 am
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Yes, as usual when it comes to this governmental obsession over passenger ID.
I'm confused as to why any ID is needed for travel within a country.
If we are all checked properly, it is a wasted expense.

Don't get me started on paying for airline tickets with cash for day-of travel. Try it, when you have plenty of time and really don't need to catch a flight.

Anyone else remember getting on a plane in the early 1990s, taking a seat, paying cash for the trip and not being asked your name? It was like train travel, as it should be.

15 guys changed the entire flying world. Is that reasonable? They've won. So sad.
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Old Dec 23, 16, 8:50 pm
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The passport card has been around for 8 years now, and has hardly gained experience. It basically has two markets: people who drive to Canada/Mexico but never fly internationally, and travel nerds like us
I think it's not necessarily a bad thing that this federal ID card is kept at a low profile. We all remember an ill-fated National Identity Card that was implemented with loud fanfare by the Labour Party... just to be scrapped by the next government shortly thereafter. Had they introduced a simple plastic form of a passport in ID-1 format -- akin to those used in the USA and Ireland -- without creating a scary identity registry database, nobody would even notice
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Old Dec 24, 16, 5:56 am
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I think it's not necessarily a bad thing that this federal ID card is kept at a low profile. We all remember an ill-fated National Identity Card that was implemented with loud fanfare by the Labour Party... just to be scrapped by the next government shortly thereafter. Had they introduced a simple plastic form of a passport in ID-1 format -- akin to those used in the USA and Ireland -- without creating a scary identity registry database, nobody would even notice
The RealID Act pretty much does that.

The RIDA specifies lots of stuff, including requirements for the ID cards themselves (front-facing photo, include signature, etc), and requirements for the states to share their ID databases.

Once the states have all complied with the standards, then state-issued driving licenses and non-driving IDs will become a de facto national ID, because even though they are issued by the states, they will all comply with federal standards, and the information the states gather will all be shared with the federal government to a much greater extent than it is now.

I dislike the RealID standard because it requires a compliant ID to include essentially everything an identity thief needs except the SSN - full legal name, place of residence, date of birth, signature, and photograph (plus some other stuff). I prefer a passport card because it does not include the home address or signature (though it does include the date and place of birth - even the RealID standard doesn't include PoB). Still, I feel more comfortable traveling domestically on my passport card than on my DL.
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Old Dec 24, 16, 11:01 am
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The RealID Act pretty much does that.

The RIDA specifies lots of stuff, including requirements for the ID cards themselves (front-facing photo, include signature, etc), and requirements for the states to share their ID databases.

Once the states have all complied with the standards, then state-issued driving licenses and non-driving IDs will become a de facto national ID, because even though they are issued by the states, they will all comply with federal standards, and the information the states gather will all be shared with the federal government to a much greater extent than it is now.

I dislike the RealID standard because it requires a compliant ID to include essentially everything an identity thief needs except the SSN - full legal name, place of residence, date of birth, signature, and photograph (plus some other stuff). I prefer a passport card because it does not include the home address or signature (though it does include the date and place of birth - even the RealID standard doesn't include PoB). Still, I feel more comfortable traveling domestically on my passport card than on my DL.
Interesting that a signature is required - whenever I am required to sign anything I always write illegibly. I did just find out that my state is not RealID compliant and was given until mid-October to become so. Needless to say, that deadline was not met.
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