looker001

What is stopping that TSA officer from taking picture of the screen before getting next person?

WillCAD

Only the objection of travelers who would see the TSO hold up his phone to take the pic.

Of course, that would truly only ever happen in the case of a rogue TSO who wants the info for their personal malfeasance. It's useless for any official purpose, since it's so easy for any computerized and connected machine to store or transmit the ID images.

I think it's a foregone conclusion that, no matter how the machines are configured today, eventually they will transmit their scan data to a central database to track travel movements through the US aviation infrastructure. You know, to "catch criminals" and "identify terr'ists" and all that. That's sort of the crux of the objection to the RealID requirements to begin with; it's the idea that the federal government will use RealID compliant IDs as a national ID card that will be used to track all of our movements and habits everywhere in the country, becoming a de facto internal passport needed for any kind of travel.

cbn42

I suppose that could be done even with non-compliant ID cards. As long as there is some way of scanning them, the entries could be put into a database and tracked. REAL ID has nothing to do with it.

gsoltso

I cant speak for all locations, but I can speak to a few. If you are at the TDC, you are on camera. We are all told (per directive and by local management) that personal electronic devices are not to be used in screening areas. if you are caught doing so, then you are subject to disciplinary action. People have been fired for doing something like reading their text messages.

No system is 100% guaranteed to prevent all bad things from happening, but the one we have in place helps to stop quite a few bad things from happening.

Ari

Stand-alone CAT/BPSS: https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/fi..._catbpss_0.pdf
Updated for link to SecureFlight: https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/fi...20130118_0.pdf

It isn't really all that remarkable and I'm not quite sure what everyone is excited about it as (1) your flight information is already in SecureFlight along with the rest of your PNR data; (2) your photo is already in a government ID database; and (3) you are on camera in the terminal. Is there some notion that the government can't already put the three together if they want to and figure out who the person flying is and what s/he looks like?

WillCAD

One of the basic requirements of RealID is the standardization and linking of all of the state databases, which is not currently mandated and is not done by non-compliant states. It's theoretically possible... which is why the RealID act was passed, which makes the theory reality.

cbn42

REAL ID requires states to share the information in their databases with each other, but not with the federal government. Most of the information shared is already printed on the card and encoded in the mag stripe or barcode, whether the license is REAL ID-compliant or not. Therefore, DHS could easily track your movement by scanning your non-compliant ID at checkpoints if they wanted to. Linking state databases doesn't affect that.

gsoltso

This is already the case to an extent. With the airline submitting your info for checks against the No Fly List, the travel patterns and names of the general public are already out there for reference via the vetting system. It is not currently configured to track everyone, but it does at least compare traveler information against the watch lists. If you would like a fairly comprehensive explanation visit Secure Flight.

This has been the rub all along with REAL ID, the requirement for all states to submit and render unto Ceasar, that which Ceasar believes is his. There will be rules and laws that state we must have REAL ID to fly, but they will be able to skirt because people will have the option of not flying or flying - much like the search procedures at the checkpoint. The states will bicker and hem and haw, but they will knuckle under (FYI, almost all US territories, and all of the states are in compliance at this point), because they do not want to face the loss of funding that could go along with it.

Brighton Line

Kindly recall how the previous occupant 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W baned NY residents from renewing/applying for Global Entry or other Trusted Traveler programs because NY's new law prevented ICE and CBP from accessing information in the state’s Department of Motor Vehicles database.

gsoltso

If I recall correctly, the ban was initiated when the state refused access completely, and was lifted when a negotiated change in the law allowed access in certain cases. In essence, the state gave in by bending rather than breaking - which is pretty much what I said above, and an example of compromise.