USDHS - TSA July 2014: "Enhanced security" overseas airports with US flights
Jul 3, 2014, 2:50 pm
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I don't have any sources to cite right now, but I believe the Israeli methods are much different and their staff actually trained properly.
The US/TSA version uses very different methods, something I believe the GAO (linked up thread) even mentioned.
Been a while since I've read it.
The US/TSA version uses very different methods, something I believe the GAO (linked up thread) even mentioned.
Been a while since I've read it.
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Jul 3, 2014, 2:56 pm
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Jul 3, 2014, 2:58 pm
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Those who visit Israel's neighbors and then fly out of TLV get increased scrutiny. But it was based on where you went and what you did, not the behavior you exhibited for 3 seconds while getting your ID checked. And if I had to guess, I'd guess you were not harassed over why you visited Petra, you were harassed over why you visited Jordan. Visiting Petra was just the answer. You may have felt harassed because they were trying to establish that you were telling the truth about the purpose of your visit to Jordan by asking you extensive questions about your visit to Petra. But the scrutiny was probably not of your visit to Petra, but to satisfy the security people you actually went to Petra that tirp.
Jul 3, 2014, 3:21 pm
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Nope, just refusal to accept that the world has changed, and will continue to change. Anytime new intelligence comes out, it's immediately some sort of government conspiracy to feel up (or way down depending on how old) old men.
Jul 3, 2014, 3:23 pm
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I never suggested it is. YOU suggested that that type of analysis is junk science. Perhaps you should establish in which country you consider it junk science next time?
Jul 3, 2014, 3:26 pm
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I imagine their eyes would pop out of their head at the sight of the 747 as well, and its ability to leave the ground. What's your point?
Jul 3, 2014, 3:28 pm
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It may have changed for some people who let it change their world and turn them into sheep. However it hasn't nor will it change for people who value their freedom and don't let government idiots scare them into bowing down to disgusting, unnecessary harassment at the airport. If doing so makes you feel better and safer, go right ahead. But please don't expect the rest of us to share in your scary fantasies about how dangerous and spooky the world now is with the boogeyman hiding behind every corner.
Jul 3, 2014, 3:31 pm
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It may have changed for some people who let it change their world and turn them into sheep. However it hasn't nor will it change for people who value their freedom and don't let government idiots scare them into bowing down to disgusting, unnecessary harassment at the airport. If doing so makes you feel better and safer, go right ahead. But please don't expect the rest of us to share in your scary fantasies about how dangerous and spooky the world now is with the boogeyman hiding behind every corner.
Jul 3, 2014, 3:37 pm
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BTW, how old are you?
Jul 3, 2014, 3:40 pm
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Farce? I agree a balance needs to be struck here, and intelligence is ultimately more important than the security blanket of security. But there is not a doubt in my mind that numerous aircraft would have been brought down without the current security procedures. It's true, even with the current security procedures, incompetence or pure luck alone prevented several, but it does not change the fact that the security procedures have dictated how terrorists operate. That is obvious from the evolution of materials and design of failed attacks. They have functioned as a deterrent and obstacle to would be bombers, that is irrefutable. You may disagree with extent and intrusiveness of security, but that does not make it a farce. In fact, the certain prominent advocates of little-to-no security and a general laissez faire attitude on the topic would have quite a bit of blood on their hands in my mind if they had their way.
Perhaps you should invest your libertarian ideological capital in other areas where some of the rest of us need not end up as the casualty.
Perhaps you should invest your libertarian ideological capital in other areas where some of the rest of us need not end up as the casualty.
Jul 3, 2014, 3:40 pm
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Oh I love having them around! The stories they tell are quite amazing, like when smoking was allowed on airplanes. My age isn't that important, but its within the last two decades.
Jul 3, 2014, 3:43 pm
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Farce? I agree a balance needs to be struck here, and intelligence is ultimately more important than the security blanket of security. But there is not a doubt in my mind that numerous aircraft would have been brought down without the current security procedures. It's true, even with the current security procedures, incompetence or pure luck alone prevented several, but it does not change the fact that the security procedures have dictated how terrorists operate. That is obvious from the evolution of materials and design of failed attacks. They have functioned as a deterrent and obstacle to would be bombers, that is irrefutable. You clearly sit on the You may disagree with extent and intrusiveness of security, but that does not make it a farce. In fact, the certain prominent advocates of little-to-no security and a general laissez faire attitude on the topic would have quite a bit of blood on their hands in my mind if they had their way.
Perhaps you should invest your libertarian ideological capital in other areas where some of the rest of us need not end up as the casualty.
Perhaps you should invest your libertarian ideological capital in other areas where some of the rest of us need not end up as the casualty.