USDHS - TSA July 2014: "Enhanced security" overseas airports with US flights
Jul 3, 2014, 3:45 pm
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It may have changed for some people who let it change their world and turn them into sheep. However it hasn't nor will it change for people who value their freedom and don't let government idiots scare them into bowing down to disgusting, unnecessary harassment at the airport. If doing so makes you feel better and safer, go right ahead. But please don't expect the rest of us to share in your scary fantasies about how dangerous and spooky the world now is with the boogeyman hiding behind every corner.
Jul 3, 2014, 3:52 pm
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That's what I thought: the arrogance of youth. Come back to us in 50 years and we'll see if you still think the same way.
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Jul 3, 2014, 3:57 pm
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Farce? I agree a balance needs to be struck here, and intelligence is ultimately more important than the security blanket of security. But there is not a doubt in my mind that numerous aircraft would have been brought down without the current security procedures. It's true, even with the current security procedures, incompetence or pure luck alone prevented several, but it does not change the fact that the security procedures have dictated how terrorists operate. That is obvious from the evolution of materials and design of failed attacks. They have functioned as a deterrent and obstacle to would be bombers, that is irrefutable. You may disagree with extent and intrusiveness of security, but that does not make it a farce. In fact, the certain prominent advocates of little-to-no security and a general laissez faire attitude on the topic would have quite a bit of blood on their hands in my mind if they had their way.
Perhaps you should invest your libertarian ideological capital in other areas where some of the rest of us need not end up as the casualty.
Perhaps you should invest your libertarian ideological capital in other areas where some of the rest of us need not end up as the casualty.
Jul 3, 2014, 4:03 pm
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Terrorism has a fetish for aviation, and what it represents. It's often confounding to me as well, their bypassing of more soft targets for what they view as the prize. I don't wish to toot my own horn, but i've written an extensive paper on this exact phenomenon if you are interested. It's not freshly hatched or contrived, it's been a near constant from the very advent of commercial aviation.
1984 is a great cautionary tale, but it seems like some people treat it as their bible to explain the world.
1984 is a great cautionary tale, but it seems like some people treat it as their bible to explain the world.
Jul 3, 2014, 4:08 pm
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Jul 3, 2014, 4:08 pm
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OK, so let's say that what is highlighted above is true. Then why haven't terrorists switched their targets to movie theaters, malls, grocery stores, places that would have far more impact on the entire population than blowing airplanes out of the sky? Could it possibly be because there are actually no terrorists out there?
Jul 3, 2014, 4:11 pm
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Oh wait, I forgot, these kids know everything - us older folks need to just hurry up and die
Jul 3, 2014, 4:13 pm
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Yes, because clearly you were around in 1776, and know exactly what they would have thought. Though, the sight of a 747 would likely have them reaching for their Bibles. So again I ask, what's your point?
Jul 3, 2014, 4:19 pm
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Terrorism has a fetish for aviation, and what it represents. It's often confounding to me as well, their bypassing of more soft targets for what they view as the prize. I don't wish to toot my own horn, but i've written an extensive paper on this exact phenomenon if you are interested. It's not freshly hatched or contrived, it's been a near constant from the very advent of commercial aviation.
1984 is a great cautionary tale, but it seems like some people treat it as their bible to explain the world.
1984 is a great cautionary tale, but it seems like some people treat it as their bible to explain the world.
“As of mid-2011, terrorist threat groups present in the Homeland are not known to be actively plotting against civil aviation targets or airports; instead, their focus is on fundraising, recruiting, and propagandizing.”
Jul 3, 2014, 4:22 pm
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What is your point? That threat has almost exclusively been originating from the Middle East, via Europe.
Jul 3, 2014, 4:22 pm
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This latest DHS CYA move is based on matters originating from Europe and/or North America.
Effective contraband WEI interdiction doesn't require the voodoo "security" of "behavior detection" or any of the other nonsense done done in the name of "security" at any airport.
An effective search for contraband WEI can be done without relying upon the Alice in Wonderland type fantasies of "profiling" used by those that resort to or blindly trust in mental crutches that haven't been proven to have any scientific basis for effectiveness.
I'm not misunderstanding anything. YOU said it's non-science, yet the Israeli's use it daily. I don't have an opinion one way or another whether it should be used stateside, but you opened that can of worms by claiming it has no merit. You just forgot that it is actually used very effectively elsewhere, which disproves your theory that it's useless. Can it be improved upon here, of course. Everything can be improved upon. Pre 9/11 security is a generational thing that the newer generations never experienced and would probably gasp at the thought. Old people who refuse progress in any form, even imperfect progress hinder society.
An effective search for contraband WEI can be done without relying upon the Alice in Wonderland type fantasies of "profiling" used by those that resort to or blindly trust in mental crutches that haven't been proven to have any scientific basis for effectiveness.
Jul 3, 2014, 4:26 pm
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My son used to sound like you but the longer he lives, the more he agrees with me.
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Jul 3, 2014, 4:27 pm
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Some parents may wish a child was aborted prior to birth, but let's not go there. 
Your assumption is based on a fiction. The fact is that most terrorist attacks have nothing to do with aviation. If anything, the evidence is that terrorists in the main have a fetish for non-aviation targets.
Terrorism has a fetish for aviation, and what it represents. It's often confounding to me as well, their bypassing of more soft targets for what they view as the prize. I don't wish to toot my own horn, but i've written an extensive paper on this exact phenomenon if you are interested. It's not freshly hatched or contrived, it's been a near constant from the very advent of commercial aviation.