Should TSA agents be armed?
Nov 4, 2013 | 5:22 pm
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From same article as above...
Sounds like the LEOs don't want anybody else in their sandbox.
I'm sure that real officers are scared sh!tless about the thought of 45,000 power-tripping imbeciles running around the airports with guns.
Meanwhile, airport police department unions have complained about TSA "mission creep."
Mission creep "threatens the security of the airport," representatives of the American Alliance of Airport Police Officers wrote in a letter to Pistole in September 2012.
"TSA has expanded the scope of their authority beyond screening areas to more traditional 'police' work without clear lines of delineation with airport police, jeopardizing public safety, contributing to a break in chain-of-command, and delaying timely law enforcement responses," the group wrote.
"TSA agents are attempting to investigate and/or correct (security) breaches," the letter said, endangering the public, delaying police involvement and causing travel disruptions.
TSA employees should be restricted to conducting passenger and bag screening, the letter said.
Mission creep "threatens the security of the airport," representatives of the American Alliance of Airport Police Officers wrote in a letter to Pistole in September 2012.
"TSA has expanded the scope of their authority beyond screening areas to more traditional 'police' work without clear lines of delineation with airport police, jeopardizing public safety, contributing to a break in chain-of-command, and delaying timely law enforcement responses," the group wrote.
"TSA agents are attempting to investigate and/or correct (security) breaches," the letter said, endangering the public, delaying police involvement and causing travel disruptions.
TSA employees should be restricted to conducting passenger and bag screening, the letter said.
I'm sure that real officers are scared sh!tless about the thought of 45,000 power-tripping imbeciles running around the airports with guns.
Nov 4, 2013 | 5:23 pm
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So the plan is to arm VIPR teams? Giving guns to people who can't read clocks or tell the difference between departing and arriving trains strikes me as one of the more excessively stupid ideas I've heard as concerns anything under Janet's "DHS."
Nov 4, 2013 | 5:29 pm
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The over 40 is actually over 37....that's due to what's commonly called "6c" status....ie 20 year Federal LE Retirement.
One has to be in the system by 37 so they can retire by 57. Military and prior 6c service is exempt....
Nov 4, 2013 | 5:35 pm
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Right after 9-11, they tried to have the "TSA Police" but figured out it was going to cost way to much money.
The idea was to hire, train, and deploy Armed TSA Police Officers to all the checkpoints around the US.
They would be sent to the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center in GA....same place US Capitol, Pentagon, GSA, GPO, USSS-Uniformed, US Mint, some DOD, etc.... go to train.
As stated, the costs were going to be out the wazoo. The 25 that actually did get hired ended up becoming FAMS.
If they do something like this, still trying to figure out who is going to foot the bill......
The idea was to hire, train, and deploy Armed TSA Police Officers to all the checkpoints around the US.
They would be sent to the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center in GA....same place US Capitol, Pentagon, GSA, GPO, USSS-Uniformed, US Mint, some DOD, etc.... go to train.
As stated, the costs were going to be out the wazoo. The 25 that actually did get hired ended up becoming FAMS.
If they do something like this, still trying to figure out who is going to foot the bill......
Nov 4, 2013 | 5:38 pm
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Nov 4, 2013 | 5:51 pm
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Negative. There are plenty of Fed LEO jobs folks can get without military or prior LE experience.
The over 40 is actually over 37....that's due to what's commonly called "6c" status....ie 20 year Federal LE Retirement.
One has to be in the system by 37 so they can retire by 57. Military and prior 6c service is exempt....
The over 40 is actually over 37....that's due to what's commonly called "6c" status....ie 20 year Federal LE Retirement.
One has to be in the system by 37 so they can retire by 57. Military and prior 6c service is exempt....
Nov 4, 2013 | 5:51 pm
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Why is nobody calling to buy the screeners ARMOR? Because it would make them sweat more to carry around the weight of the vest?
If they're dressed up as targets, give them armor. Or quit dressing them up as LEOs-from-a-distance.
If they're dressed up as targets, give them armor. Or quit dressing them up as LEOs-from-a-distance.
Nov 4, 2013 | 5:51 pm
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Federal law enforcement employers all have a maximum entry age limit for LEO positions at least when it comes to people with no prior LEO experience.
For some career intelligence positions, much the same is true for entry age maximums -- although the intel agencies have been able to basically get around that for special "skills" needs far more than federal law enforcement employers for ordinary civilian LE purposes.
For some career intelligence positions, much the same is true for entry age maximums -- although the intel agencies have been able to basically get around that for special "skills" needs far more than federal law enforcement employers for ordinary civilian LE purposes.
Bottom line there is no need to arm screeners. Watch TSA take FAM's off airplanes and put them in airports. That would better fit the idiotic decisions coming out of TSA.
Nov 4, 2013 | 6:50 pm
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Nov 4, 2013 | 8:29 pm
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9/11? Ban boxcutters. Shoe bomb? Shoes off. Underwear bomb? NOS. Couple of Brit kids who flunked high school chemistry pretend water is a High Explosive? War on water, toothpaste, snowglobes and cream filled cupcakes although magic quart ziplocs convert any HE back to water.
Look for TSA to try to spend billions so "another LAX never happens." Plus Pistole is career FBI, an agency with 35,000 armed agents. He moved to TSA with 55,000 screeners with tin badges. If he gets them armed, he has a bigger "army" under his control than his old FBI. A feather on his resume.
Nov 4, 2013 | 8:32 pm
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Not negative, positive. I'm pretty familiar with the OPM standards and what I stated fundamentally aligns with what you state above -- except for your first sentence -- with the exception being I left out military and 6cs when I should not have. Exemptions don't get rid of age maximums -- it just allows for exemptions around the age maximums.
Nov 4, 2013 | 8:33 pm
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Nov 4, 2013 | 8:34 pm
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Nov 4, 2013 | 8:36 pm
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And watch how many FAMs will quit. Flying is their bread and butter when it comes to making their per diem.
When they do that silly VIPER crap, they aren't making good money.....and that makes folks look for new lines of work.
When they do that silly VIPER crap, they aren't making good money.....and that makes folks look for new lines of work.
Nov 4, 2013 | 8:43 pm
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Not now, not ever.
Their role is to prevent unauthorised items from entering the secure area. Not to introduce them.
Given their inherent rudeness, incompetence and outright arrogance most of them shouldn't even be employed in customer facing areas let alone in a position of authority.
Their role is to prevent unauthorised items from entering the secure area. Not to introduce them.
Given their inherent rudeness, incompetence and outright arrogance most of them shouldn't even be employed in customer facing areas let alone in a position of authority.