Should TSA agents be armed?
Nov 11, 2013 | 3:12 am
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And, in the silly case that TSAs arms itself, there is no doubt that they will continue administrative searches, only with added threat of force and greater pretense of arrest and detainment authority*. I will, at least, see this as a very different thing, Constitutionally.
* - the next thing they will want
Nov 11, 2013 | 3:32 am
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Yes, that is correct.
Nov 11, 2013 | 8:29 am
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Considering the extremely low competence and thug-like attitude of the typical TSA employee (many of whom were hired from pizza box ads!), putting guns in their hands seems like a particularly crazy thing to do. These people can choose to be armed when they go home, but I would not want to see them armed in our airports.
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Nov 11, 2013 | 9:36 pm
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TSA screeners appear to be based on 1802, Compliance Inspection and Support Series. Federal police are 0083 series. Security guards are 0085. CBP are 1895.
Of course, I do not know how much leeway TSA has to exempt itself from these rules, Out of an Abundance of Caution Anything for Security Gotta Prevent Another 9/11 doncha know.
Nov 12, 2013 | 2:03 am
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DHS runs the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center, for 89 US government agencies, and some state, local, tribal, campus, and international agencies.
http://www.gao.gov/special.pubs/gao-..._training.html
DHS course length for Uniformed Police is 14 weeks. Air Marshal = 13 weeks. Basic firearms training = 6 weeks.
No way the agency is going to invest this amount of $$ for training folks recruited via pizza boxes with swiss cheese holes in their background checks.
http://www.gao.gov/special.pubs/gao-..._training.html
DHS course length for Uniformed Police is 14 weeks. Air Marshal = 13 weeks. Basic firearms training = 6 weeks.
No way the agency is going to invest this amount of $$ for training folks recruited via pizza boxes with swiss cheese holes in their background checks.
As you've clearly stated above, there is no way they can afford to do it......and that's what they found out last time around......
Nov 12, 2013 | 3:12 am
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As posted by me in this thread....after 9-11 when the TSA/DHS was being formed. they looked at "TSA Police Officers" to stand the checkpoints.
As you've clearly stated above, there is no way they can afford to do it......and that's what they found out last time around......
As you've clearly stated above, there is no way they can afford to do it......and that's what they found out last time around......
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Nov 12, 2013 | 5:17 am
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Most sobriety checkpoints in the US do not actually administer a breathalyzer test unless they have reasonable suspicion that you are intoxicated (bloodshot eyes or slurred speech). Once they have that, they can legally detain you and it is no longer an administrative search, and the evidence can be used in a criminal trial.
Nov 12, 2013 | 10:34 pm
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That is my opinion, but note that 1) IANAL and 2) AFAIK no court has ever ruled on the matter.
Nov 13, 2013 | 12:35 am
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Of course, now that one guy (out of 60,000 in a dozen years) has been killed by a nutcase, the whole analysis changes. Instead of "can we afford this?", people will ask "what is the life of a TSA employee worth?" I don't see the great distinction, but the second question is much more emotional, obviously.
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Add LEOs back to the checkpoints and be done with it....
Nov 13, 2013 | 12:36 am
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As stated, no need to arm any of these clowns....
Nov 13, 2013 | 5:06 am
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I would say yes, once they have a positive ETD swab, they have probable cause to do a search for explosives, and you may face criminal charges if you are found in possession of illegal explosives.
That is my opinion, but note that 1) IANAL and 2) AFAIK no court has ever ruled on the matter.
That is my opinion, but note that 1) IANAL and 2) AFAIK no court has ever ruled on the matter.