Discussion: Constitutionality of BOS (Logan) BDO program
Aug 19, 2011 | 12:18 pm
#122
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BOS>ATL>JAX
Today as I queued, for the bottle water collection point, I was stopped and asked my final destination, reason I was in BOS, how long I was there, what company I worked for, type of work I did.
THIS IS TOTAL UNACCEPTABLE!!!
I bought a ticket, entered my traveler info, presented my identification.
FLAMERS WELCOMED!
The rest of where, what, why and length of my rights of FREEDOM to MOVEMENT is none I repeat NONE of TSA, i.e. (KGB,SS, and Gestapo)'s @#$!$@@ BUSINESS!
Today as I queued, for the bottle water collection point, I was stopped and asked my final destination, reason I was in BOS, how long I was there, what company I worked for, type of work I did.
THIS IS TOTAL UNACCEPTABLE!!!
I bought a ticket, entered my traveler info, presented my identification.
FLAMERS WELCOMED!
The rest of where, what, why and length of my rights of FREEDOM to MOVEMENT is none I repeat NONE of TSA, i.e. (KGB,SS, and Gestapo)'s @#$!$@@ BUSINESS!
Aug 19, 2011 | 12:21 pm
#123
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I am sure there are many people like you who negotiate Israel's airports every day. In Tel Aviv the security agents handle passengers with grace and respect, so their nervousness is not exacerbated or mistaken for a threat. We can only hope the TSA approaches this in similar fashion.
Umm. I don't think this is modeled after El Al....
Not unless the TSA staff has suddenly become a lot better educated and lot better trained. And the US has suddenly become both much more homogeneous and more tolerant of racial, religious, and socio-economic profiling. And there's a lot less air travel...
Not unless the TSA staff has suddenly become a lot better educated and lot better trained. And the US has suddenly become both much more homogeneous and more tolerant of racial, religious, and socio-economic profiling. And there's a lot less air travel...
Aug 19, 2011 | 12:31 pm
#124
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No I don't believe it. I was simply expressing how the program should operate, but frankly my expectations are very low.
Aug 19, 2011 | 12:35 pm
#125
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Several years ago, my boarding passes used to get flagged for secondary screening frequently, and they'd ask questions along these lines. It is intrusive, but unless the tactic has changed, they're less interested in the answers than in how you act. It's fine to say that the purpose of your trip was "to visit family," or "to go to a conference" and unlike Immigration, they probably won't inquire any further, provided that you don't act nervous or cause a problem.
Aug 19, 2011 | 12:37 pm
#126
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You're asking the wrong question. Confining our security efforts to the airport checkpoint is like making sure you have a lock on your bathroom door to protect yourself against a home invasion. Here's a better question: Where do you think terrorist efforts are better stopped?
...<shortened for brefity...but it bears repeating loudly, and frequently>
Effective security at the checkpoint should really be focused on catching the type of threat that intelligence is least capable of detecting: the lone wolf with a crazed plan. This sort of terrorist operates alone, has little or no planning, and is mostly likely using rudimentary weapons like a gun or knife. A simple bag x-ray and WTMD, with a localized wanding and/or pat-down for any alarms, is sufficient here. Ditch everything else, including the shoe carnival, the liquid ban, harrassing interrogations, and most importantly, the body scanners.
...<shortened for brefity...but it bears repeating loudly, and frequently>
Effective security at the checkpoint should really be focused on catching the type of threat that intelligence is least capable of detecting: the lone wolf with a crazed plan. This sort of terrorist operates alone, has little or no planning, and is mostly likely using rudimentary weapons like a gun or knife. A simple bag x-ray and WTMD, with a localized wanding and/or pat-down for any alarms, is sufficient here. Ditch everything else, including the shoe carnival, the liquid ban, harrassing interrogations, and most importantly, the body scanners.
+100,000,000 ^
This is one of those posts that may me say, "Golly, I wish I had said that!!"
BRAVO to you, baliktad!!
Aug 19, 2011 | 12:42 pm
#128
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"Am I required to answer these questions before I am allowed to fly because, frankly, the answers are none of your da*n business..."
Aug 19, 2011 | 12:47 pm
#129
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I wouldn't mind the questioning if it leads to less gropes, the ability to leave my shoes on, carry more than a quart size bag of liquids through security, etc. However, I don't have the faith in the TSA to effectively perform this. They will probably still grope the same amount of passengers as before.
Aug 19, 2011 | 12:53 pm
#130
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The TSA is only using college educated agents for this assignment, which should help on that front. Also I think you misjudge the El Al approach. It is much more centered on training and skill than profiling. They would not have their perfect security record just by hassling every Arab passenger flying on El Al.
Aug 19, 2011 | 12:53 pm
#131
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Oh, for God's sake.
It's not. El Al / Israeli security can never be reproduced in the US owing to the volume of traffic and lack of force professionalism.
Those guys are a little different from TSA guys. Here we have guys who have never seen the word "Lufthansa" before and find it suspicious, or will ask you if Zurich is a place in the USA.
I actually have no problem with the AMS gate talks because I feel the inquisitor is intelligent and guided by a well-designed program. I think TSA BDO talks are ridiculous because after many years of TSA interactions I have no faith in the force to detect or prevent anything or stick to any sort of program. The average TSO I meet is a sad combination of Buford T. Justice and the elevator operator in Huxley's Brave New World. ("Roooof!")
There you go. That will not happen with a US BDO force. Different planet.
Originally Posted by LeslieJam
...if modeled after El Al hard to argue their success in passenger safety.
Those guys are a little different from TSA guys. Here we have guys who have never seen the word "Lufthansa" before and find it suspicious, or will ask you if Zurich is a place in the USA.
I actually have no problem with the AMS gate talks because I feel the inquisitor is intelligent and guided by a well-designed program. I think TSA BDO talks are ridiculous because after many years of TSA interactions I have no faith in the force to detect or prevent anything or stick to any sort of program. The average TSO I meet is a sad combination of Buford T. Justice and the elevator operator in Huxley's Brave New World. ("Roooof!")
There you go. That will not happen with a US BDO force. Different planet.
Aug 19, 2011 | 1:03 pm
#132
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http://www.bostonherald.com/news/reg...icleid=1355725
Aug 19, 2011 | 1:09 pm
#134
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2. Unlike Israel, we have a 4th and 5th Amendment that precludes this kind of government interrogation.
Aug 19, 2011 | 1:11 pm
#135
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"At Logan, about 70 agents — all with college degrees — are undergoing training by an international consulting firm that includes a four-day classroom course and 24 hours of on-the-job experience, said TSA spokeswoman Ann Davis."
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/reg...icleid=1355725
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/reg...icleid=1355725