Discussion: Constitutionality of BOS (Logan) BDO program
Aug 19, 2011 | 4:00 pm
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I'm wish you. The agents at TLV are very good at what they do. They approach with a disarming demeanor and explain things simply. Even my crazy want to be Massad agent Mother doesn't freak out with them. They will ask what they determine is needed to make sure you're not a threat but they ask in such a manner not to entice a negative situation....something the TSA needs lessons in immediately. After going through TLV Europe is nothing and US TSA are just disrespectful. *Generalization*
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I have mixed views on this one. I've been grilled by Israeli security at TLV while departing with a Saudi visa in my passport. It was done very respectfully, and I understood the need for security. After that, the WTMD and X-ray for my bag were super easy. However, this is conditioned on well-trained agents doing the questioning in a professional manner. I don't have confidence that the TSA can carry things out in that manner, and there is a bit of an issue of whether it's even constitutional in the US.
I have mixed views on this one. I've been grilled by Israeli security at TLV while departing with a Saudi visa in my passport. It was done very respectfully, and I understood the need for security. After that, the WTMD and X-ray for my bag were super easy. However, this is conditioned on well-trained agents doing the questioning in a professional manner. I don't have confidence that the TSA can carry things out in that manner, and there is a bit of an issue of whether it's even constitutional in the US.
Aug 19, 2011 | 4:13 pm
#182
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I think this was in response to the original "How would you make the TSA better?"
I stick with my original suggestion.
Mike
I stick with my original suggestion.
Mike
Aug 19, 2011 | 4:16 pm
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It will be interesting for us to document and start to build a data base of how they react once this becomes widespread and we start getting in their faces or simply refusing to answer. As I think I have asserted before, these confrontations should be easy to record because you still have access to all of your stuff.
Aug 19, 2011 | 4:21 pm
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Aug 19, 2011 | 4:26 pm
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Will some in the government try to bait some fool into becoming a "terrorist" wannabee and send them to the airport to be caught by the TSA clowns in order to chalk up a "victory" in the "war on terror" so as to ramp up this voodoo "security" BDO dog and pony show at airports near and far?
Aug 19, 2011 | 4:33 pm
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Aug 19, 2011 | 4:40 pm
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I need a drink. I think I'll pull out a couple of mini-bottles now.
Salud!
Aug 19, 2011 | 4:40 pm
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It is none of a government's agent's business why I am traveling within the USA, with whom I am staying, who I am visiting, and the nature of my trip. Would you feel the same way if the toll-taker asked you the same questions when crossing the George Washington Bridge from New Jersey to New York? Or if the token booth clerk (yes, I am dating myself) asked you the same when buying your MetroCard? Then why should I be asked these questions when I am flying from Chicago to San Francisco?
Aug 19, 2011 | 4:43 pm
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Aug 19, 2011 | 5:08 pm
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Freedom OF speech includes freedom FROM speech. Government should NEVER be empowered to compel speech. What happens if incriminating statements are made in the course of these interviews? When I''m traveling, the LAST people I care to have ANY conversation with is TSA. So what now? Either speak or you forgo your flight? And with fares being non-refundable, I'm clearly suffering as a result, so how is this not a denial of my right to due process?
BY Ray on 08/15/2011 at 18:45
BY Ray on 08/15/2011 at 18:45
Aug 19, 2011 | 5:08 pm
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It's not invasive, it's not unconstitutional and is used to make judgments about whether some people need secondary inspection.
Fortunately, it will only take a few prosecutions of people who deliberately lie to TSA (18 USC Sec. 1001 provides a 5-year felony penalty for that) before the jokesters stop giving poor advice.
In the meantime, BOS-ATL is easily driveable and a wonderful view of scenic I-95!
Fortunately, it will only take a few prosecutions of people who deliberately lie to TSA (18 USC Sec. 1001 provides a 5-year felony penalty for that) before the jokesters stop giving poor advice.
In the meantime, BOS-ATL is easily driveable and a wonderful view of scenic I-95!
Aug 19, 2011 | 5:12 pm
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Will some in the government try to bait some fool into becoming a "terrorist" wannabee and send them to the airport to be caught by the TSA clowns in order to chalk up a "victory" in the "war on terror" so as to ramp up this voodoo "security" BDO dog and pony show at airports near and far?
Aug 19, 2011 | 5:26 pm
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I am sure there are many people like you who negotiate Israel's airports every day. In Tel Aviv the security agents handle passengers with grace and respect, so their nervousness is not exacerbated or mistaken for a threat. We can only hope the TSA approaches this in similar fashion.
This sounds like a very good improvement in security...
Aug 19, 2011 | 5:32 pm
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The entire program is an utter waste of time and an excuse to maintain TSA's bloated budget. Nothing more than another jobs program wasting taxpayer money on useless jobs for the otherwise unemployable.
For frequent fliers this will quickly devolve into the same kind of "canned" responses used to get through customs. A bunch of vague answers interspersed with a few fabrications and a grain of truth.
Expect to see yet another string of abuse stories in the news, a few lawsuits and more double speak from TSA trying to explain their way out of criticism from the public, press and lawmakers.
For frequent fliers this will quickly devolve into the same kind of "canned" responses used to get through customs. A bunch of vague answers interspersed with a few fabrications and a grain of truth.
Expect to see yet another string of abuse stories in the news, a few lawsuits and more double speak from TSA trying to explain their way out of criticism from the public, press and lawmakers.