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Ari Dec 16, 2009 1:19 pm

A lot of questions about the "re-posters" of the information and what can be done about them. :rolleyes:

At least she said there's nothing she can do. :o

sbm12 Dec 16, 2009 1:25 pm

I respect Dent a lot for pressing them on why they won't even give Congress a copy of the SOP.

sbm12 Dec 16, 2009 1:31 pm

Taking a break now. Very strange hour just passed. I am losing faith in government faster than I though possible.

Ari Dec 16, 2009 1:38 pm


Originally Posted by sbm12 (Post 13000209)
I respect Dent a lot for pressing them on why they won't even give Congress a copy of the SOP.

Agree. They are stalling.

And exactly what extra does Rossides do during the busy travel season? Does she go and work along side with TSO's? Monitor staffing levels? Personally respond to travelers' complaints?

At least there can't be any fluff stories about the TSA this holiday season because any media outlet will just hound them on this SOP debacle and not want to discuss anything else.


Originally Posted by sbm12 (Post 13000260)
I am losing faith in government faster than I though possible.

You still had faith left before this? :confused:

sbm12 Dec 16, 2009 3:50 pm


Originally Posted by terockwo (Post 13000170)
@ 3:15pm when asked on her time availibility- "Ah, I've gotta be outta here by like 4:15pm" (No specific reason given...)

--Gale D. Rossides, Acting Administrator, TSA

????? What, do you have a Congressional Hearing to get to or something? oh, wait... ...?

She was apparently traveling today. I suggested to the public affairs guy that she leave plenty of time for screening at the airport.

I also approached her, said "hi" and gave her my card as I left the room. That was entertaining.

Trollkiller Dec 16, 2009 4:08 pm


Originally Posted by sbm12 (Post 13000209)
I respect Dent a lot for pressing them on why they won't even give Congress a copy of the SOP.

They can't provide a hard copy of the latest SOP because they have not finished WRITING it yet.

Ari Dec 16, 2009 4:58 pm


Originally Posted by Trollkiller (Post 13001627)
They can't provide a hard copy of the latest SOP because they have not finished WRITING it yet.

Maybe it is just stupid and embarassing like a lot of stuff the TSA comes out with. Perhaps it has even more holes than the one that was released (that was never implimented :rolleyes:) and they don't want further wrath from congress.

sbm12 Dec 16, 2009 4:59 pm

My blog post about attending the hearings today might just be my longest blog post ever. For that I apologize. Still, the number of ridiculous comments made today is truly disappointing. It is clear that the congressfolk involved in dealing with the TSA have no idea what is really going on out there in the real world and that the TSA has no problem ignoring legal and appropriate requests from Congress to produce information.

The agency is, quite simply, completely out of control. And it doesn't seem that there is anything to be done about it. Even the three rum minis on the train ride home tonight haven't really helped to console me about the fiasco. It really is much worse than it seems, which is hard to believe because it seems so bad to begin with. :( :td:

http://www.wanderingaramean.com/2009...t-tsa-sop.html

Ari Dec 16, 2009 5:04 pm


Originally Posted by sbm12 (Post 12999677)
I spoke with her as well.

Hearings should be starting any minute now (only 11 minutes late so far). Apparently there is a vote going on or something.

I've read the prepared testimony thus far and it is nothing surprising. I've also been told to expect a mild reprimand for not reporting this to the Inspector General. I've told them that I'd absolutely do it again this way if it happened again.

Oops...got sidetracked...hearings just started.

What do you do (if you care to share)?

sbm12 Dec 16, 2009 5:06 pm


Originally Posted by Trollkiller (Post 13001627)
They can't provide a hard copy of the latest SOP because they have not finished WRITING it yet.

They say they've been giving briefings and that they are willing to give more, but they won't let the document out of their hands. It is a complete farce.

Even reasonably drunk I cannot muster the joy to get over their farcical existence. So very, very sad.

Ari Dec 16, 2009 5:08 pm


Originally Posted by sbm12 (Post 13001946)
They say they've been giving briefings and that they are willing to give more, but they won't let the document out of their hands. It is a complete farce.

Even reasonably drunk I cannot muster the joy to get over their farcical existence. So very, very sad.

Take 1/2 a stick of Xanax. ;)

sbm12 Dec 16, 2009 5:10 pm


Originally Posted by Ari (Post 13001935)
What do you do (if you care to share)?

In the real world I'm an IT systems integrator. I mostly build computer networks for law firms though I have a few clients in other industries as well. And I'm an aerophile. I love to fly and I love to go places, even if I don't really stop while I'm there.

As I explained to the Public Affairs guy I talked with at the hearings, I have a rather significant vested interest in them getting security right. I'm more likely than most to be the guy who blows up. But that doesn't mean I have to take the bollocks they dish out as though it is the gospel. Because it isn't and that is pretty obvious.

Ari Dec 16, 2009 6:57 pm


Originally Posted by sbm12 (Post 13001977)
In the real world I'm an IT systems integrator. I mostly build computer networks for law firms though I have a few clients in other industries as well. And I'm an aerophile. I love to fly and I love to go places, even if I don't really stop while I'm there.

As I explained to the Public Affairs guy I talked with at the hearings, I have a rather significant vested interest in them getting security right. I'm more likely than most to be the guy who blows up. But that doesn't mean I have to take the bollocks they dish out as though it is the gospel. Because it isn't and that is pretty obvious.

Interesting. So I guess you have that "advanced computer knowledge" that allowed you to remove the redactions. :D

Olton Hall Dec 16, 2009 7:28 pm


Originally Posted by Ari (Post 13002490)
Interesting. So I guess you have that "advanced computer knowledge" that allowed you to remove the redactions. :D

The same "advanced computer knowledge" the average 10 year old across the world have to have found this out. Being that it was a word search that brought this to light, maybe any 5 year old.

Trollkiller Dec 16, 2009 7:40 pm


Originally Posted by Olton Hall (Post 13002629)
The same "advanced computer knowledge" the average 10 year old across the world have to have found this out. Being that it was a word search that brought this to light, maybe any 5 year old.

I figured it out because my little pointer turned into an "I" beam pointer indicating text. So it was not as complex as doing a word search.


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