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Trollkiller Dec 17, 2009 7:20 pm


Originally Posted by N965VJ (Post 13009149)
I like the links in that ABC News has in the center of every story they publish on this: :D



http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c2...gt39dhe634.jpg

Poor Gale looks like she could use some Rolaids. :eek:

http://p1.hotornot.com/bl/brands/OMK...EGDXFUFUMK.jpg

Trollkiller Dec 17, 2009 7:38 pm


Originally Posted by marklyon (Post 13009540)
CSPAN will sell you a capture of the CC feed for a nominal fee.

I did not know that, thanks for the info. ^

Boggie Dog Dec 17, 2009 8:02 pm


"I can imagine how much fun the retards at FlyerTalk are having with this. I suggest that those of us who are TSA employees not add any details to those discussions. Let 'em speculate, pontificate and mentally masturbate."
A comment from another blog by a member who has posted here. Of course they have a little habit of deleting their post after getting pi$$ed off.

This is an example of how some TSA employees see the public.

FliesWay2Much Dec 18, 2009 6:07 am


Originally Posted by marklyon (Post 13009540)
CSPAN will sell you a capture of the CC feed for a nominal fee.

The video is still up on the House Homeland Security web site. Click on the "Hearings" tab. If you have video capture software, you might be able to pull it down today and save it. The file extension on the video stream is .wvx.

Testimony Video Stream

doober Dec 18, 2009 6:15 am


Originally Posted by Boggie Dog (Post 13009866)
A comment from another blog by a member who has posted here. Of course they have a little habit of deleting their post after getting pi$$ed off.


"I can imagine how much fun the retards at FlyerTalk are having with this. I suggest that those of us who are TSA employees not add any details to those discussions. Let 'em speculate, pontificate and mentally masturbate."
This is an example of how some TSA employees see the public.

Interesting that he used the term "pontificate" 'cause that's what he used to do here.

sbm12 Dec 18, 2009 6:34 am


Originally Posted by FliesWay2Much (Post 13011532)
The video is still up on the House Homeland Security web site. Click on the "Hearings" tab. If you have video capture software, you might be able to pull it down today and save it. The file extension on the video stream is .wvx.

Testimony Video Stream

I'm making a capture now (I think - I'll know soon if it worked). Check out Rep. Dent's comments starting around 16:40 in that recording. That will be the subject of today's post.

sbm12 Dec 18, 2009 10:01 am

I've managed to capture the feed and extract the 27 seconds of lunacy that Rep. Dent (R-PA) shares about his view of me and others hosting the document.
http://boardingarea.com/blogs/thewan...a-congressman/

In short, Congressman Dent, had you showed any glimmer of ability to actually hold the Agency accountable I might have considered your request. But you can't and until you or someone else does I'll take my fight to the streets where people actually seem to respond.

ehasbrouck Dec 18, 2009 12:42 pm

"TSA's 12 other SOPs"
 
The identity Project has filed a follow-up FOIA request for the 12 other SOPs mentioned by Ms. Rossides in her testimony, for all SOPs regardless of number, and for the list and index of all SOPs.

Trollkiller Dec 18, 2009 1:31 pm


Originally Posted by ehasbrouck (Post 13013895)
The identity Project has filed a follow-up FOIA request for the 12 other SOPs mentioned by Ms. Rossides in her testimony, for all SOPs regardless of number, and for the list and index of all SOPs.

If you get the request fulfilled be sure to share.

I placed a new post on my blog, I wanted to a complete overview but got stuck on one quote. I think I will need a bigger blog.

Ari Dec 18, 2009 1:39 pm


Originally Posted by Boggie Dog (Post 13009866)
A comment from another blog by a member who has posted here. Of course they have a little habit of deleting their post after getting pi$$ed off.

This is an example of how some TSA employees see the public.

Yup, with disdain. :o


Originally Posted by doober (Post 13011572)
Interesting that he used the term "pontificate" 'cause that's what he used to do here.

Who is it?


Originally Posted by ehasbrouck (Post 13013895)
The identity Project has filed a follow-up FOIA request for the 12 other SOPs mentioned by Ms. Rossides in her testimony, for all SOPs regardless of number, and for the list and index of all SOPs.

What a waste of time. They will just respond that it is SSI and that it is therefore exempt from FOIA. :rolleyes:

Boggie Dog Dec 18, 2009 2:43 pm


Originally Posted by Trollkiller (Post 13014154)
If you get the request fulfilled be sure to share.

If I read it right the Identity Project states that they fully intend to release any documents they receive to the public.

I would like more transparency from TSA but I do think there are things they need to keep to themselves.

A goal that is actually winable would seem to make more sense.

sbm12 Dec 18, 2009 3:08 pm


Originally Posted by Boggie Dog (Post 13014558)
If I read it right the Identity Project states that they fully intend to release any documents they receive to the public.

Ummm...once the TSA lets the docs out of their control they MUST assume that they are public. That's the whole point of FOIA requests. It isn't like one can suggest that they are going to request a document but not show it to anyone else and somehow that would change the response of the FOIA officer.

In this case I'm betting that they are shot down wholesale. It will suck but it is par for the course with the TSA. Unless the IDP guys have a lot of cash and some decent attorneys they'll get nowhere.

The appropriate response from the TSA would be to properly redact the documents and release them in a timely manner. They properly redacted the previously requested one for the IDP and there were no issues with that. Rossides has gone WAY over the top in reacting to this incident, prohibiting access that is statutorily guaranteed (e.g. the Congressional requests). She's essentially blocked even legitimate requests "out of an abundance of caution." Think of the :rolleyes:.

Boggie Dog Dec 18, 2009 3:54 pm


Originally Posted by sbm12 (Post 13014707)
Ummm...once the TSA lets the docs out of their control they MUST assume that they are public........ ). She's essentially blocked even legitimate requests "out of an abundance of caution." Think of the :rolleyes:.

I understand the point but why ask for wholesale release when the odds are better that it wil snow in He--.

Ask for something that is reasonable then fight them on the grounds of trying to hide information that is of no threat to their operation.

If IDP gets anything I'm betting the blackspace will overtake the whitespace by a good margin. No words will be left!

Ari Dec 18, 2009 3:54 pm


Originally Posted by sbm12 (Post 13014707)
The appropriate response from the TSA would be to properly redact the documents and release them in a timely manner. They properly redacted the previously requested one for the IDP and there were no issues with that. Rossides has gone WAY over the top in reacting to this incident, prohibiting access that is statutorily guaranteed (e.g. the Congressional requests). She's essentially blocked even legitimate requests "out of an abundance of caution." Think of the :rolleyes:.

Bingo. Why don't they just drop a subponea duces tecum on the agency and then hold her in contempt if she doesn't comply? What's with this hands off approach?

willpolice4food Dec 18, 2009 4:47 pm

Rep. Dent's directing everyone to the "whistleblower process"
 

"To those who repost this security information on the internet you should share in the blame should security be breached as a result of this disclosure. In the future I would ask that you please, please use the whistleblower process congress has created for you. Call the department. call the inspector general. Call congress and its committees. But please do not circulate sensitive security documents. Rest assured that we will hold the department to account."


Rep. Dent did not get this issue of the Washington Post:

http://bit.ly/87lIO

...nor this one from the Washington Times:

http://bit.ly/1cW00n

How coincidental the screwed whistleblowers are all TSA law enforcement officers and one of their managers.

Your recent articles about the hearing were spot-on. OUTSTANDING work Seth!!!


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