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sbm12 Dec 16, 2009 8:04 pm


Originally Posted by Trollkiller (Post 13002678)
I figured it out because my little pointer turned into an "I" beam pointer indicating text. So it was not as complex as doing a word search.

I didn't even get that far. I looked at the document and guessed that they probably did it wrong since most folks do. I didn't know until I tried but it was a pretty good bet.

I spoke with a NYT reporter who was covering the hearing and showed her just how silly it was to suggest that any special hacker skills were involved. I repeated that to the TSA press guy there as well while also (reasonably politely) pushing him for answers to some of the simple questions.

The part where the Congresswoman from Texas suggested that such "unredaction" tools (I think that is what she said; I have a pending inquiry to her press contact) be outlawed was one of about 20 things that caused me to almost be cited for contempt during the hearing. I'd love to watch them try to ban every PDF reader. That would be hysterical.

Olton Hall Dec 16, 2009 8:12 pm


Originally Posted by sbm12 (Post 13002787)
I didn't even get that far. I looked at the document and guessed that they probably did it wrong since most folks do. I didn't know until I tried but it was a pretty good bet.

I spoke with a NYT reporter who was covering the hearing and showed her just how silly it was to suggest that any special hacker skills were involved. I repeated that to the TSA press guy there as well while also (reasonably politely) pushing him for answers to some of the simple questions.

The part where the Congresswoman from Texas suggested that such "unredaction" tools (I think that is what she said; I have a pending inquiry to her press contact) be outlawed was one of about 20 things that caused me to almost be cited for contempt during the hearing. I'd love to watch them try to ban every PDF reader. That would be hysterical.

They'd have more luck banning all electronic devises and makeing the entire US go back to the 1950's and use pen and paper and rotatory phones. The rest of the world can keep the devices.

This demonstrates how out of touch the officials have become on advancements in the world that the rest of the world are more than aware of for some time now.

ND Sol Dec 16, 2009 9:03 pm


Originally Posted by sbm12 (Post 13002787)
The part where the Congresswoman from Texas suggested that such "unredaction" tools (I think that is what she said; I have a pending inquiry to her press contact) be outlawed was one of about 20 things that caused me to almost be cited for contempt during the hearing. I'd love to watch them try to ban every PDF reader. That would be hysterical.

That would be our local Congresswoman who on a visit to JPL, asked if the Mars Pathfinder had taken an image of the flag planted there in 1969 by Neil Armstrong. And at the time she was a member of the House Science Committee's space subcommittee. So I considered her statement pretty much par for the course.

Spiff Dec 16, 2009 9:05 pm

All of you Comrades should be shot for sharing State secrets!

FliesWay2Much Dec 17, 2009 4:59 am


Originally Posted by ND Sol (Post 13003089)
That would be our local Congresswoman who on a visit to JPL, asked if the Mars Pathfinder had taken an image of the flag planted there in 1969 by Neil Armstrong. And at the time she was a member of the House Science Committee's space subcommittee. So I considered her statement pretty much par for the course.

The quotes are worth noting:


The Congressional bonehead award goes to Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee (D-TX) who, on a visit to JPL, asked if Mars Pathfinder had taken an image of the flag planted there in 1969 by Neil Armstrong! Quipped Rep. Vernon Ehlers (R-MI) to the Washington Times: "We just don't teach enough science."
This committee is one of my agency's authoriziers. Rep Ehlers is the ranking member of the Subcommittee on Research and Science Education on the House science Committee. Regardless, he's extremely well-qualified to be in this line of work:

From his official bio:


The first research physicist to serve in Congress, Ehlers has been recognized for his strong work ethic and proven leadership skills in his duties on Capitol Hill.

<snip>

After three years of studying at Calvin College in Grand Rapids, Ehlers transferred and received his undergraduate degree in physics and his Ph.D. in nuclear physics from the University of California at Berkeley in 1960. After six years teaching and research at Berkeley, he moved back to Grand Rapids to Calvin College in 1966 where he taught physics for 16 years and later served as chairman of the Physics Department. During his tenure at Calvin, Ehlers also served as a volunteer science advisor to then-Congressman Gerald R. Ford.

Boggie Dog Dec 17, 2009 7:16 am


Originally Posted by Spiff (Post 13003097)
All of you Comrades should be shot for sharing State secrets!

A distinct possibility if TSA gets its way!

Spiff Dec 17, 2009 7:21 am


Originally Posted by Boggie Dog (Post 13004805)
A distinct possibility if TSA gets its way!

When People have had enough, they have interesting ways of dealing with evil government actors. ;)

Witness the 1956 Uprising against the AVO in Hungary...

Boggie Dog Dec 17, 2009 7:48 am


Originally Posted by Spiff (Post 13004836)
When People have had enough, they have interesting ways of dealing with evil government actors. ;)

Witness the 1956 Uprising against the AVO in Hungary...

Did a little gardening yesterday. Will have to see if my seed takes root.

I had an opportunity to have a chat with an OSHA staffer.

I asked if they had ever considered the workplace hazards that TSA creates by tossing potential explosives in common trash at checkpoints exposing themselves and the public to a very possible exposure to dangerous chemicals, vapors, or even detonation of certain chemicals by this practice.

Seemed like a new light was suddenly being switched on.

Just trying to do my part to support commercial aviation safety!:p

ehasbrouck Dec 17, 2009 8:32 am

He's got a little list (and we're on it)
 
Some notes on aspects of the hearing that seemed noteworthy, from the Identity Project (also posted in the other thread, but the discussion of the hearing seems to be carrying on in this one):

http://www.papersplease.org/wp/2009/...nd-were-on-it/

Trollkiller Dec 17, 2009 8:50 am


Originally Posted by ehasbrouck (Post 13005248)
Some notes on aspects of the hearing that seemed noteworthy, from the Identity Project (also posted in the other thread, but the discussion of the hearing seems to be carrying on in this one):

http://www.papersplease.org/wp/2009/...nd-were-on-it/

At least I know I am in good company.

Does anyone know where to get a transcript of yesterday's hearing? The only place I have found so far is a subscription service. http://www.fednews.com/transcript.htm?id=20091216t0261

ehasbrouck Dec 17, 2009 9:17 am

Congressional hearing transcripts
 

Originally Posted by Trollkiller (Post 13005396)
Does anyone know where to get a transcript of yesterday's hearing?

The records of hearings are published by the Government Printing Office, and available at federal government document depository libraries. Some are also available online, once published. The record often included revisions and extensions of remarks, prepared statements, and other documents submitted for the record by members or outside parties, as well as the transcript (which witnesses and members have the opportunity to review and correct before publication).

The GPO says:
Most congressional hearings are published two months to two years after they are held.

NOTE: Not all congressional hearings are available on GPO Access. Whether or not a hearing is disseminated on GPO Access depends on the committee.



Trollkiller Dec 17, 2009 9:32 am


Originally Posted by ehasbrouck (Post 13005635)
The records of hearings are published by the Government Printing Office, and available at federal government document depository libraries. Some are also available online, once published. The record often included revisions and extensions of remarks, prepared statements, and other documents submitted for the record by members or outside parties, as well as the transcript (which witnesses and members have the opportunity to review and correct before publication).

The GPO says:
Most congressional hearings are published two months to two years after they are held.

NOTE: Not all congressional hearings are available on GPO Access. Whether or not a hearing is disseminated on GPO Access depends on the committee.



I can't wait two months, I wanted to have the transcripts so I could quote accurately. If anyone finds the transcript please holler at me.

N965VJ Dec 17, 2009 9:32 am


Originally Posted by ND Sol (Post 13003089)
That would be our local Congresswoman who on a visit to JPL, asked if the Mars Pathfinder had taken an image of the flag planted there in 1969 by Neil Armstrong. And at the time she was a member of the House Science Committee's space subcommittee. So I considered her statement pretty much par for the course.

Last summer a local TV newz station did a breathless investigative report on how General Aviation airports were unsecure. Rep. Jackson-Lee had the Office of Inspector General look into this and when the OIG concluded that GA operations do not pose a ”serious homeland security vulnerability", she called that conclusion "disrespectful".




Originally Posted by Boggie Dog (Post 13004951)
I had an opportunity to have a chat with an OSHA staffer.

I asked if they had ever considered the workplace hazards that TSA creates by tossing potential explosives in common trash at checkpoints exposing themselves and the public to a very possible exposure to dangerous chemicals, vapors, or even detonation of certain chemicals by this practice.

Here’s a data point that the Environmental Protection Agency might find interesting. At LHR “Two tonnes of alcohol a month are still being confiscated at Heathrow alone, along with thousands of bottles of perfume and other toiletries”. Anyone care to take a stab at how much is disposed of in the States, especially during the holiday season?

Now, in the real world outside of Security Theatre, sane people do not throw these things into the garbage can. They reach the environment through consumption and evaporation. But now these liquids are being introduced into landfills in large quantities that will ultimately affect groundwater supplies.

bocastephen Dec 17, 2009 9:35 am


Originally Posted by sbm12 (Post 13001910)
My blog post about attending the hearings today might just be my longest blog post ever. For that I apologize. Still, the number of ridiculous comments made today is truly disappointing. It is clear that the congressfolk involved in dealing with the TSA have no idea what is really going on out there in the real world and that the TSA has no problem ignoring legal and appropriate requests from Congress to produce information.

The agency is, quite simply, completely out of control. And it doesn't seem that there is anything to be done about it. Even the three rum minis on the train ride home tonight haven't really helped to console me about the fiasco. It really is much worse than it seems, which is hard to believe because it seems so bad to begin with. :( :td:

http://www.wanderingaramean.com/2009...t-tsa-sop.html

I think this is the sad state of reality. Nobody wants to get it right - all they want to do is cover their individual a$$es and make sure that when something hits the fan, they can trumpet how they were doing something to stop it.

Nobody in Congress is remotely interested in getting it right or reforming the TSA - and I think that reality is why our professional lobbyist partner from Sensible Security gave up and moved on - I think he figured out this would be a losing battle and not a battle to take on pro bono.

Rep. Jackson - I'm not sure if there is a term I can write here to describe her without Randy giving me a RV vacation - so I'll just let this sentence stand on its own. I wonder if you could hear the laughter all the way from Adobe HQ in San Jose after her anti-redaction tool comment. I really think there should be an IQ, history and civics test for every politician, and anyone who fails or has an IQ under the US national average (which isn't saying much) is forced to resign.

Since they are not open to constructive criticism or partnering with learned, experienced members of the traveling public who want to improve security, our only course of action is to continue humiliating the TSA in public by exploiting and publicizing these blunders until either a critical mass is reached, or they just all go berserk and explode.

Trollkiller Dec 17, 2009 11:05 am

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/tsa-st...ory?id=9354132

Latest story on ABC.


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