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Screening location - Each site at which individuals, accessible property, or checked baggage is inspected for the presence of explosives, incendiaries, weapons, or other prohibited items. These include the screening checkpoint or boarding gate where individuals and accessible property are inspected with metal detectors, x-ray machines, and other methods; concourse, lobby, or baggage make-up areas where checked baggage is inspected with an EDS and/or ETD; locations where cargo is inspected; and any other location determined by the FSD. |
Under the STSO duties why in the world would you redact this?
13) Ensure TSOs do not handle explosives, incendiaries, or weapons if such items are discovered during the screening process. |
Just a quick reminder that the SOP is labeled as SSI, and posting information from it on a public forum might expose you to personal liability. It's unlikely, but certainly possible.
Now... anyone know a reporter who wants a scoop? |
Originally Posted by amejr999
(Post 12936540)
Just a quick reminder that the SOP is labeled as SSI, and posting information from it on a public forum might expose you to personal liability. It's unlikely, but certainly possible.
Now... anyone know a reporter who wants a scoop? I was deemed not worthy by the TSA as a reporter. Wonder if that will change now. |
Originally Posted by amejr999
(Post 12936540)
Just a quick reminder that the SOP is labeled as SSI, and posting information from it on a public forum might expose you to personal liability. It's unlikely, but certainly possible.
Now... anyone know a reporter who wants a scoop? |
Originally Posted by Trollkiller
(Post 12936555)
the document I am retrieving the info from is no longer marked SSI.:D
The bits on all the various classes of passengers exempted from screening are interesting as are the TDC details, like the 12 countries that have required SSSS when their passport is presented at the checkpoint. |
Originally Posted by amejr999
(Post 12936540)
Just a quick reminder that the SOP is labeled as SSI, and posting information from it on a public forum might expose you to personal liability. It's unlikely, but certainly possible.
S206 Aviation and Transportation Security Screening Services Solicitation Number: HSTS05-09-R-SPP061 Amendment 3 Posted Date: March 16, 2009 "SOP NO SSI.pdf" has the SSI warnings deleted https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportun...&cck=1&au=&ck= I have also copied the S206 Cover page to keep with the SOP The Screening Contract is also posted in full. |
Originally Posted by amejr999
(Post 12936540)
Just a quick reminder that the SOP is labeled as SSI, and posting information from it on a public forum might expose you to personal liability. It's unlikely, but certainly possible.
Now... anyone know a reporter who wants a scoop? So how do you believe that it might expose any of us to personal liability? |
Originally Posted by OnTheAsile
(Post 12936638)
As I have posted previously,the compete Screening Management SOP is now public information:
S206 Aviation and Transportation Security Screening Services Solicitation Number: HSTS05-09-R-SPP061 Amendment 3 Posted Date: March 16, 2009 "SOP NO SSI.pdf" has the SSI warnings deleted https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportun...&cck=1&au=&ck= I have also copied the S206 Cover page to keep with the SOP The Screening Contract is also posted in full. Thanks for finding this. |
Originally Posted by ND Sol
(Post 12936648)
Look at 49 CFR Part 1520, which relates to protection and disclosure of SSI. The restrictions concerning the release of SSI contained in Part 1520 only apply to “covered persons.” That definition as set forth in 1520.7 does not include a person in the general public. That was the part that Blogger Bob tried to use for prohibiting photography of the monitors, but a TSA attorney agreed that Part 1520 is inapplicable to the general public.
So how do you believe that it might expose any of us to personal liability? |
Originally Posted by ND Sol
(Post 12936648)
So how do you believe that it might expose any of us to personal liability? -- 1520.7(l) covers anyone who's ever applied to Clear. -- a perverse reading of 1520.7(j) could potentially be construed to cover this -- anyone who's ever worked for an airline (1520.7(k) or owned an aircraft required to have a security plan (1520.7(c)) Regardless, there is a risk here, at minimum, of there being problems. And I think it's only fair to make sure people are aware of that. |
According to these photos the TSOs working at Austin-Bergstrom International Airport (AUS) are not only above the law but above SOP too.
4.3.13. TSA PERSONNEL A. TSOs who enter the sterile area through the screening checkpoint must undergo screening at the beginning of their shift. TSOs who exit the screening checkpoint to perform work within the scope of their screening duties (such as assisting with passengers or collecting divest bins) need not be rescreened upon reentering the screening checkpoint. Where the FSD has waived TSO rescreening, TSOs who leave the screening checkpoint area and are completely out of sight for rest breaks, lunch, etc. need not be rescreened upon returning to the screening checkpoint after presenting their TSA employee ID or local airport ID for review by a TSO or designated TSA representative. However, where the FSD has elected to waive TSO rescreening, the FSD must implement random screening of TSOs returning from breaks. B. FSDs may exempt themselves, DFSDs, AFSDs/DAFSDs for Screening, training coordinators, training specialists, scheduling operations officers, TSMs, Stakeholder Managers/Liaisons, STSOs, and LTSOs from screening, while on duty, after presenting their TSA employee ID or local airport ID for review by a TSO or TSA representative designated by the FSD. On duty includes meals and rest breaks. C. The following credentialed TSA employees on official business at an airport with a valid TSA credential (and badge, if issued) are exempt from screening while performing official duties at that airport after presenting the credential (and badge) for review by a TSO. TSA credentialed employees are NOT exempt from screening when boarding an aircraft as part of official duty travel. These TSA credentialed employees are not permitted to escort individuals around or through the screening checkpoint to bypass screening unless otherwise permitted by this SOP. 1) TSA Inspector (credential only) 2) TSA Executive (credential only) 3) TSA Critical Personnel (credential only) 4) TSA Transportation Security Specialist (credential only) 5) Federal Security Director (credential and badge) 6) Deputy Federal Security Director (credential and badge) 7) Assistant Federal Security Director for Law Enforcement (credential and badge) 8) Assistant Federal Security Director for Inspections (credential and badge) 9) Other Assistant Federal Security Directors (credential only) 10) TSA Office of Inspection Special Agent (credential and badge) 11) TSA Office of Inspection Inspector (credential and badge) 12) TSA Explosives Security Specialist (credential only) 13) Bomb Appraisal Officer (credential only) 14) Attorney Advisor (credential only) 15) TSA Investigator (credential only) 16) TSA Field Intelligence Officer (credential and badge) |
Originally Posted by amejr999
(Post 12936708)
First of all, this is TSA; they'll make up a rule if need be. Within the CFR, I see a few ways they might be able to claim it:
-- 1520.7(l) covers anyone who's ever applied to Clear. -- a perverse reading of 1520.7(j) could potentially be construed to cover this -- anyone who's ever worked for an airline (1520.7(k) or owned an aircraft required to have a security plan (1520.7(c)) Regardless, there is a risk here, at minimum, of there being problems. And I think it's only fair to make sure people are aware of that. As for (j), that would be rather perverse as it is only applicable to those that have a "need to know," which would be hard to fathom in this case. Yes, (c) is applicable, but I would think that if you get the info outside of the channels that you are able to access due to your clearance, then you have a reasonable chance that this type of disclosure to the general public is not going to cause issues. A true reading would require any TSO that reads this thread to immediately report the breach of the SSI or else they could be subject to discipline. Do I think that would happen - no. |
Here is SOP info on some of the topics/complaints that are regularly posted and re-posted.
1.4. DOCUMENT CONTROL AND AVAILABILITY A. TSA management must maintain at each checkpoint and screening location: 1. A complete, current copy of this SOP and associated addendums. 2. PERSONNEL STAFFING, DUTIES, AND RESPONSIBILITIES 2.1. STAFFING B. Screening checkpoint staffing requirements: 1) One TSO designated as LTSO for every two screening lanes 2) Each checkpoint must also include at least one STSO G.Individuals performing the duties of TSOs, TSOs, or STSOs must be in uniform 2.4. SUPERVISORY TRANSPORTATION SECURITY OFFICER (STSO) DUTIES An STSO must be present at each screening location that is open for operation. However, an STSO’s absence from the checkpoint is excused for break periods and unforeseen situations requiring an STSO’s absence. If the STSO must be absent during routine operation of a screening location, he or she must designate an LTSO to act on his or her behalf and must advise the designated LTSO of his or her whereabouts 15) *Make every effort to actively monitor all screening activities and intervene to resolve alarms in any of the functions performed by TSOs to ensure effective, vigilant, and courteous screening. 37) Ensure chairs are available at checkpoints to accommodate Persons With disabilities (PWDs) before, during, and after the screening process. 41) Ensure TSOs provide only their TSA nametag information when an individual requests a TSO’s personal information during, or as a result of, the screening process 2.7. PHOTOGRAPHING, VIDEOTAPING, AND FILMING SCREENING LOCATIONS A. TSA does not prohibit the public, passengers, or press from photographing, videotaping, or filming screening locations unless the activity interferes with a TSO’s ability to perform his or her duties or prevents the orderly flow of individuals through the screening location. .... Photographing EDS or ETD monitor screens or emitted images is not permitted. B. TSA must not confiscate or destroy the photographic equipment or film of any person photographing the screening location. C. In addition to this policy, local laws, State statutes, or local ordinances may prohibit photographing, videotaping, or filming screening locations……… ….. TSOs must alert an LEO to individuals who may be violating these State or local laws, but must not confront these individuals. 2.11. INDIVIDUALS WHO REFUSE SCREENING OF THEIR PERSON C. If the individual, who has refused to complete screening, returns to the public area prior to clearance or the arrival of an LEO 2) Screening personnel must not physically detain or hinder the movement of the individual. 2.12. INDIVIDUALS WHO REFUSE SCREENING OF ACCESSIBLE PROPERTY B. If the individual refuses to complete screening of property after it has begun, 3) Not attempt to physically detain or hinder the movement of the individual. APPENDIX 2: TRAVEL DOCUMENT AND ID CHECKS APPENDIX 4: PROHIBITED/PERMITTED ITEMS LIST (no Ice just dry ice) Please no flames, I know I went overboard with emphasizing the use of must. |
Originally Posted by Trollkiller
(Post 12936814)
According to these photos the TSOs working at Austin-Bergstrom International Airport (AUS) are not only above the law but above SOP too.
IIRC, the roll-out of the police-imitation uniforms was completed in 2008 by September 11th (:rolleyes: in itself). And the mandate with those uniforms is that screeners bypass the "security" because of the metal on those badges. The "logic" is rooted in the TSA not wanting the individual screeners losing their badges, even by just putting them in the x-ray machine. There was a a tiff in Denver about the very same thing last year. |
Originally Posted by amejr999
(Post 12936708)
First of all, this is TSA; they'll make up a rule if need be. Within the CFR, I see a few ways they might be able to claim it:
-- 1520.7(l) covers anyone who's ever applied to Clear. -- a perverse reading of 1520.7(j) could potentially be construed to cover this -- anyone who's ever worked for an airline (1520.7(k) or owned an aircraft required to have a security plan (1520.7(c)) Regardless, there is a risk here, at minimum, of there being problems. And I think it's only fair to make sure people are aware of that. |
However, where the FSD has elected to waive TSO rescreening, the FSD must implement random screening of TSOs returning from breaks. |
Originally Posted by Trollkiller
(Post 12936697)
If it does, y'all remember I have 3 children at home and make sure if I get nabbed y'all give them a good Christmas. Oh and calm down the wife cuz she will be MAD!!!!
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Originally Posted by LessO2
(Post 12936873)
That SOP link might have some dated information. I think that SOP info pre-dates the full roll-out of the police-imitation uniforms.
IIRC, the roll-out of the police-imitation uniforms was completed in 2008 by September 11th (:rolleyes: in itself). And the mandate with those uniforms is that screeners bypass the "security" because of the metal on those badges. The "logic" is rooted in the TSA not wanting the individual screeners losing their badges, even by just putting them in the x-ray machine. There was a a tiff in Denver about the very same thing last year. |
Originally Posted by ND Sol
(Post 12936669)
The SSI warnings may have been "deleted," but otherwise it appears to be the same as the other document. And once again, on the one with the SSI warnings deleted, you can find the SSI hidden behind the black boxes. Someone has violated 49 CFR Part 1520 within the Gov't.
Thanks for finding this. It was deleted and re-entered in Amendment 3 on March 16, 2009 Notice it is openly posted on the FBO website as a Airport Screening Contract Solicitation in Montana. Number: HSTS05-09-R-SPP061 was awarded on Sept 02 ,2009 |
Originally Posted by SATTSO
(Post 12936890)
I'm on it!!! I start doing "bag checks", what kind of Christmas presents do your kids want??? ;)
And just in case anyone missed it SATTSO was JOKING. |
Originally Posted by ND Sol
(Post 12936886)
And how often do you think that this actually happens? :rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by Trollkiller
(Post 12936893)
When was the last time you heard of a TSO being randomly screened?
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To TSOs and other Covered persons.
To TSOs and other Covered persons, it is your duty to report this breach of SSI. Go ahead and ruin a few people's weekend.
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Originally Posted by Trollkiller
(Post 12936908)
The baby will be 5 months old, so anything he can bite or throw up on. The big boy is almost 13 but is still really into Power Rangers, video games, Legos and Bionicles. The girl is 12 and I have no clue what girls like.
And just in case anyone missed it SATTSO was JOKING. And really, does ANYONE know what any woman wants??? |
Originally Posted by SATTSO
(Post 12936920)
It used to happen all he time with this older and outdated sop.
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Originally Posted by LessO2
(Post 12936873)
That SOP link might have some dated information. I think that SOP info pre-dates the full roll-out of the police-imitation uniforms.
IIRC, the roll-out of the police-imitation uniforms was completed in 2008 by September 11th (:rolleyes: in itself). And the mandate with those uniforms is that screeners bypass the "security" because of the metal on those badges. The "logic" is rooted in the TSA not wanting the individual screeners losing their badges, even by just putting them in the x-ray machine. There was a a tiff in Denver about the very same thing last year. Who can find the SOP regarding frozen LGAs in there???? |
Originally Posted by SATTSO
(Post 12936933)
Joking, uh, yes.... Joking.... "wink" passes need your mailing address.
And really, does ANYONE know what any woman wants??? Come on she said we need a vacuum 3 weeks before Christmas, what was I supposed to think? I think I was set up. |
Originally Posted by Trollkiller
(Post 12936893)
When was the last time you heard of a TSO being randomly screened?
Before that, yes, it's been a very long time. |
Originally Posted by SATTSO
(Post 12936945)
Who can find the SOP regarding frozen LGAs in there????
I know you have to pretend that this is no big deal, but come on. This shows that the TSA can't even keep a document secure. It also shows that what the TSA deems is SSI is nothing more than a smoke and mirror set up designed to elevate the importance of the agency. |
Originally Posted by amejr999
(Post 12936540)
Just a quick reminder that the SOP is labeled as SSI, and posting information from it on a public forum might expose you to personal liability. It's unlikely, but certainly possible.
Now... anyone know a reporter who wants a scoop? The document hit public domain and someone at DHS/TSA is in a whole lot of trouble right before Christmas. Hope they have another job lined up. Got to resist gloating, but the smile is going to be there for at least a little while. |
Originally Posted by LessO2
(Post 12936948)
To be honest, I did see one in Denver getting a secondary about four or five months ago. Badge off, getting the wand. The one thing I found unusual about it was that it was not done anywhere near where the screeners usually bypass the checkpoints, it was done where the passengers funnel from exiting the checkpoints to taking the escalator.
Before that, yes, it's been a very long time. |
Originally Posted by AngryMiller
(Post 12936966)
The document hit public domain and someone at DHS/TSA is in a whole lot of trouble right before Christmas. Hope they have another job lined up.
But this? Nah, I see someone getting some remedial training over this. |
This shows that the TSA can't even keep a document secure. It also shows that what the TSA deems is SSI is nothing more than a smoke and mirror set up designed to elevate the importance of the agency. Sort of like the uniforms third world dictators wear with all of the medals and awards on them? |
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Originally Posted by LessO2
(Post 12936977)
HA! You really think they're going to fire someone over this? If this was some damning report that detailed the failures of the TSA, a PR nightmare, then yes, someone's head would roll.
But this? Nah, I see someone getting some remedial training over this. |
Originally Posted by Trollkiller
(Post 12936975)
I wonder who from HQ was in town.
Now, if they were to have done it at the "normal" place screeners enter, it would have been done out of sight of the supervisor's podium (and where the suits usually stand around and do nothing but chat). Where this screener was getting the secondary was in full and complete view of that area. Even beyond the ETD machines. It made me think they were putting on a show for passengers (see, we go through it as well-type thing), but after thinking about your reply and the set-up at Denver, it could have very well been a show for the suits. |
Originally Posted by LessO2
(Post 12936948)
To be honest, I did see one in Denver getting a secondary about four or five months ago. Badge off, getting the wand. The one thing I found unusual about it was that it was not done anywhere near where the screeners usually bypass the checkpoints, it was done where the passengers funnel from exiting the checkpoints to taking the escalator.
Before that, yes, it's been a very long time. the usual screening location. But I wasn't there, so just guessing. |
WOW JUST WOW
iv. If the individual’s photo ID is a passport issued by the Government of Cuba, Iran, North Korea, Libya, Syria, Sudan, Afghanistan, Lebanon, Somalia, Iraq, Yemen, or Algeria, refer the individual for selectee screening unless the individual has been exempted from selectee screening by the FSD or aircraft operator. |
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