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halls120 Dec 10, 2009 5:43 am


Originally Posted by Ruhetag (Post 12959956)
The TSA SOP was an interesting 94 page read.

But what would be MORE interesting would be the manual of what differentiates the threat levels.
  • Why have we been at threat level Orange all these years?
  • Whats the diff between Orange, Yellow and Red?
  • Will we EVER EVER be at Green? If not why even have Green??

1. An Orange threat level ensures continued government employment for tens of thousands government workers.

2. Nothing, really, since lax gate security had nothing to do with the 9/11 hijackings in the first place

3. LOL, you're kidding, right?

doober Dec 10, 2009 5:47 am


Originally Posted by GUWonder (Post 12958553)

I've heard of no such thing yet either, but I have heard rumblings about checking out the IP addresses and more related to downloads of the documents.

Guess I'd better print out a copy before it disappears from my computer. :D

halls120 Dec 10, 2009 5:51 am


Originally Posted by doober (Post 12960268)
Guess I'd better print out a copy before it disappears from my computer. :D

Heh, heh, heh, won't they be surprised when they find my copy. :cool:

AngryMiller Dec 10, 2009 6:04 am


Originally Posted by halls120 (Post 12960282)
Heh, heh, heh, won't they be surprised when they find my copy. :cool:

I would like to have the concession stand selling antacids at DHS hdqrs this past week. Could have made a fortune. Knowing the pettiness/vindictiveness of tin pot bureaucrats who've been embarrassed, I suspect that they might begin a private vendetta against those who they feel caused the embarrassment that when exposed would again lead to still even more public embarrassment.

n4zhg Dec 10, 2009 6:19 am


Originally Posted by GUWonder (Post 12955855)
The response from the talking heads on TV is indeed a sign of stupidity that passes for "journalism" or that is allowed to pass by whatever passes for "journalism" today:

I hear Schools of Journalism are where you go when you can't hack being in a School of Education. "Those who can't, teach."

Flaflyer Dec 10, 2009 8:09 am

MSNBC places the blame er credit
 
MSNBC says who did it. 5 TSA workers put on leave over online posting

"As a result, some Web sites, using widely available software, were able to uncover the original text of sections that had been blacked out for security reasons. On Sunday, the Wandering Aramean blog pointed out the document in a posting titled "The TSA makes another stupid move."

TSA had the document removed from the Federal Business Opportunity site on Dec. 6 but copies — with the redacted portions exposed — circulated on the Internet and remain posted on other Web sites not controlled by the government."

^^^^^

Prepare for return to obscurity. Begin countdown timer. Your 15 min of fame will expire in: 14:59, 14:58, . . .;)

add: MSNBC has a poll about TSA. Assume MSNBC readers are a more average cross section of the flying public than FTs. They are starting to get it. Overwhelming majority answer: "No. Airport security is a joke, and I don't feel secure."

doober Dec 10, 2009 8:43 am


Originally Posted by Flaflyer (Post 12960902)
add: MSNBC has a poll about TSA. Assume MSNBC readers are a more average cross section of the flying public than FTs. They are starting to get it. Overwhelming majority answer: "No. Airport security is a joke, and I don't feel secure."

Ronnie, please take note. :D

ehasbrouck Dec 10, 2009 9:03 am

Identity Project analysis of SOP and related FOIA requests
 
The Identity project has posted an analysis of what we think is significant about the Screening Management SOP (including a comparison with the redacted excertps we obtained ealrier under FOIA) and an update on our pending FOIA appeal for the current Screening Management SOP and our other pending FOIA requests for other screening SOPs and related documents:

http://www.papersplease.org/wp/2009/...ld-procedures/

ND Sol Dec 10, 2009 9:25 am


Originally Posted by Flaflyer (Post 12960902)

That is what was being picked up yesterday afternoon, but we don't know what positions those five hold.

I now know that this is a big story since the Houston Chronicle's political cartoon was about the incident. :) But once again, the focus is wrong. While I have found certain items interesting (such as the "Unpredictable Screening Process", which is almost always violated when I have observed a checkpoint), those are not SSI and have been out there before. More interesting is what the TSA considers to be SSI and their reaction to this charlie foxtrot.

IslandBased Dec 10, 2009 10:10 am

"Napolitano added, however, that "the traveling public was not at risk.""

Incompetence is apparently not contagious, but I am staying away from air travel as a precaution.

BarbiJKM Dec 10, 2009 10:30 am


Originally Posted by IslandBased (Post 12961575)
"Napolitano added, however, that "the traveling public was not at risk.""

Incompetence is apparently not contagious, but I am staying away from air travel as a precaution.

Do you really think that you are more at risk than before this document was released? I've read all 93 pages, and don't feel unsafe by any of that info being made public. As for incompetence, well, that was there well before this all became public...

Boggie Dog Dec 10, 2009 10:33 am

Probably of no importance but I don't recall seeing any statements from the TSA Acting Administrator commenting on this story.

I'm starting to wonder just who is really in charge at TSA?

Has the plug been pulled?

Spiff Dec 10, 2009 10:47 am


Originally Posted by Boggie Dog (Post 12961734)
Probably of no importance but I don't recall seeing any statements from the TSA Acting Administrator commenting on this story.

I'm starting to wonder just who is really in charge at TSA?

Has the plug been pulled?

Pulling the plug on TSA would be a wonderful Christmas present!

Santa, will you get Congress to cooperate, please?

Boggie Dog Dec 10, 2009 10:51 am


Originally Posted by Spiff (Post 12961825)
Pulling the plug on TSA would be a wonderful Christmas present!

Santa, will you get Congress to cooperate, please?

Well, while I agree with you that would be to much to hope for.

I'm just curious about the apparent silence/mia of TSA's acting leader.

IslandBased Dec 10, 2009 10:52 am


Originally Posted by BarbiJKM (Post 12961714)
Do you really think that you are more at risk than before this document was released? I've read all 93 pages, and don't feel unsafe by any of that info being made public. As for incompetence, well, that was there well before this all became public...

No, I don't feel at risk at all, in spite of losing a parent in a light plane crash several decades ago.

I haven't read through the entire document. So far it is rather dull and lusterless reading.

I just haven't made any air travel plans lately. In fact, I live within walking distance of our local terminal, and haven't even seen the most recent uniforms. I have been over to General Aviation to pick up friends. I must say that Airport Watch seems to do essentially the same job as TSA in a much more civil and competent way. ;)


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