SOP discussion
Dec 9, 2009, 2:43 pm
#361
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Dec 9, 2009, 2:43 pm
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This is an excellent time to write your elected representatives and ask them to disband the TSA once and for all:
https://writerep.house.gov/writerep/welcome.shtml
http://www.senate.gov/reference/comm...t_senators.htm
https://writerep.house.gov/writerep/welcome.shtml
http://www.senate.gov/reference/comm...t_senators.htm
Dec 9, 2009, 2:46 pm
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Just setting the ball into motion. As long as the document was just being talked about to FT there was no harm done to the TSA. By alerting them it caused them react from a position of panic. Kinda of like the reaction you get when you catch someone with their pants down.
Once they reacted then there was a real story.
Once they reacted then there was a real story.
Dec 9, 2009, 3:00 pm
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It's been publicly reported that five people have been placed on administrative leave. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...w141527S51.DTL
Five Transportation Security Administration employees have been placed on administrative leave since it was discovered that sensitive guidelines about airport passenger screening were posted on the Internet.
The move was disclosed as senators questioned administration officials Wednesday about the second embarrassing security flap at the Homeland Security Department in as many weeks. The Secret Service, also part of the sprawling department, is investigating how a couple of would-be reality TV stars were able to get into a White House state dinner without an invitation.
Assistant Homeland Security secretary David Heyman told senators Wednesday that a full investigation into the Internet security lapse is under way and the TSA employees have been taken off duty pending the results of that probe. He did not say how many employees were put on leave. A TSA official who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the ongoing investigation said five employees were placed on administrative leave Tuesday.
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...#ixzz0ZE6SOfa6
Five Transportation Security Administration employees have been placed on administrative leave since it was discovered that sensitive guidelines about airport passenger screening were posted on the Internet.
The move was disclosed as senators questioned administration officials Wednesday about the second embarrassing security flap at the Homeland Security Department in as many weeks. The Secret Service, also part of the sprawling department, is investigating how a couple of would-be reality TV stars were able to get into a White House state dinner without an invitation.
Assistant Homeland Security secretary David Heyman told senators Wednesday that a full investigation into the Internet security lapse is under way and the TSA employees have been taken off duty pending the results of that probe. He did not say how many employees were put on leave. A TSA official who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the ongoing investigation said five employees were placed on administrative leave Tuesday.
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...#ixzz0ZE6SOfa6
Dec 9, 2009, 3:09 pm
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More reason to believe that warning1369 could have issues if he believes what the TSA may do to those hosting the SOP. Based on the time line, he disclosed the number of employees placed on admin leave before it hit the wires. In addition, Heyman didn't disclose the number; it took an anonymous source to do so. As such, the TSA must consider that info to be rather confidential.
Dec 9, 2009, 3:14 pm
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Question: Why does the KGB send their agents out in teams of three?
Ans: One can read. One can write. The third keeps an eye on the two intellectuals.
Dec 9, 2009, 3:16 pm
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Dec 9, 2009, 3:22 pm
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Dec 9, 2009, 4:05 pm
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It looks like the backtracking has begun. From the TSA.gov website as an official statement released today:
That statement would appear to contradict Blogger Bob's quote from yesterday:
So now it would appear that the TSA is indirectly admitting that this was an official SOP. Blogger Bob's statement was either not true or, at best, misleading.
I guess when the TSA realized that a FOIA request had been fulfilled with this exact same SOP and that the RFP used this as an SOP, the ruse of still claiming it was never implemented became a bigger problem than admitting it was in effect at one time. But for those two issues, the TSA might still be saying that it was never in effect.
The Transportation Security Administration (TSA) recognizes an outdated, unclassified version of a Standard Operating Procedures document was improperly posted by the agency to the Federal Business Opportunities Web site wherein redacted information was not properly protected. Once we were made aware, it was immediately taken down from the Web site and a full review by TSA’s Office of Inspection was initiated.
This version of the document was not the everyday screening manual used by Transportation Security Officers at airport checkpoints. As TSA is constantly adapting to address evolving threats, there have been six newer versions of the procedures since the version posted was approved.
[emphasis added]
This version of the document was not the everyday screening manual used by Transportation Security Officers at airport checkpoints. As TSA is constantly adapting to address evolving threats, there have been six newer versions of the procedures since the version posted was approved.
[emphasis added]
The version of the document that was posted was neither implemented nor issued to the workforce.
I guess when the TSA realized that a FOIA request had been fulfilled with this exact same SOP and that the RFP used this as an SOP, the ruse of still claiming it was never implemented became a bigger problem than admitting it was in effect at one time. But for those two issues, the TSA might still be saying that it was never in effect.
Dec 9, 2009, 4:13 pm
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AP News Article
"WASHINGTON — An Obama administration official says some Transportation Security Administration employees have been placed on administrative leave after it was discovered that sensitive guidelines about airport passenger screening were posted on the Internet.
Assistant Homeland Security secretary David Heyman has told senators a full investigation into the security lapse is under way. Heyman says the Homeland Security Department is stopping the posting of documents with sensitive security information either in full or in part on the Internet until the TSA review is complete."
"WASHINGTON — An Obama administration official says some Transportation Security Administration employees have been placed on administrative leave after it was discovered that sensitive guidelines about airport passenger screening were posted on the Internet.
Assistant Homeland Security secretary David Heyman has told senators a full investigation into the security lapse is under way. Heyman says the Homeland Security Department is stopping the posting of documents with sensitive security information either in full or in part on the Internet until the TSA review is complete."
Is this the reason why no comments have been posted on the TSA Blog in over 24 hours?
Dec 9, 2009, 4:13 pm
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It looks like the backtracking has begun. From the TSA.gov website as an official statement released today:
That statement would appear to contradict Blogger Bob's quote from yesterday:
So now it would appear that the TSA is indirectly admitting that this was an official SOP. Blogger Bob's statement was either not true or, at best, misleading.
I guess when the TSA realized that a FOIA request had been fulfilled with this exact same SOP and that the RFP used this as an SOP, the ruse of still claiming it was never implemented became a bigger problem than admitting it was in effect at one time. But for those two issues, the TSA might still be saying that it was never in effect.
That statement would appear to contradict Blogger Bob's quote from yesterday:
So now it would appear that the TSA is indirectly admitting that this was an official SOP. Blogger Bob's statement was either not true or, at best, misleading.
I guess when the TSA realized that a FOIA request had been fulfilled with this exact same SOP and that the RFP used this as an SOP, the ruse of still claiming it was never implemented became a bigger problem than admitting it was in effect at one time. But for those two issues, the TSA might still be saying that it was never in effect.
Dec 9, 2009, 4:17 pm
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I guess when the TSA realized that a FOIA request had been fulfilled with this exact same SOP and that the RFP used this as an SOP, the ruse of still claiming it was never implemented became a bigger problem than admitting it was in effect at one time. But for those two issues, the TSA might still be saying that it was never in effect.
Here's the rub: They had officials testify in the Senate today. If those folks stated that that the version was never implemented or approved then they've got a handful of folks on the hook for Contempt of Congress. That isn't so good either. I'm trying to find a full transcript of the testimony of that session to see what was actually said.
Anyone have access to fednews.com? That seems to be the only place with transcripts online right now and it is a subscription service.
Last edited by sbm12; Dec 9, 2009 at 4:33 pm