SOP discussion
Dec 8, 2009, 10:17 pm
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Dec 8, 2009, 11:12 pm
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Dec 8, 2009, 11:15 pm
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The clown news network -- better known as CNN -- is saying this is a how-to-guide for terrorists and the biggest breach of airport security since 9/11.
Do these clowns not realize that competent terrorists aren't being stopped by the TSA and that airport security screeners weren't tasked to stop the terrorists or the weapons used by the terrorists on 9/11?
Do these clowns not realize that the TSA is already a big failure in reliably stopping weapons and explosives? The TSA's repeated failure to properly screen out for all weapons and explosives -- or the components for such -- is a far bigger threat to security than even the TSA's accidental transparency.
Airport security doesn't come via obscurity. Transparency -- an anathema to the TSA -- is a must for accountability and systematic performance improvements in aviation security. This is something that the TSA and the unnecessarily paranoid talking heads on TV don't get.
Do these clowns not realize that competent terrorists aren't being stopped by the TSA and that airport security screeners weren't tasked to stop the terrorists or the weapons used by the terrorists on 9/11?
Do these clowns not realize that the TSA is already a big failure in reliably stopping weapons and explosives? The TSA's repeated failure to properly screen out for all weapons and explosives -- or the components for such -- is a far bigger threat to security than even the TSA's accidental transparency.
Airport security doesn't come via obscurity. Transparency -- an anathema to the TSA -- is a must for accountability and systematic performance improvements in aviation security. This is something that the TSA and the unnecessarily paranoid talking heads on TV don't get.
Last edited by GUWonder; Dec 8, 2009 at 11:21 pm
Dec 9, 2009, 12:08 am
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CNN Anderson Cooper 360
Re: CNN Anderson Cooper 360 show, 12/8
On CNN, it was nice to hear fired TSA Federal Air Marshal whistleblower, Robert MacLean, give a shout-out to the front-line TSOs and FAMs who now have to deal with the fall-out from their senior executives' colossal EF-up.
While Gale Rossides and her cronies hide in the "Arlington Ivory Towers," waiting for Erroll Southers to kick them out the door with phat pensions (only to go work at cushy neo-con firms collecting a second 6-figure salary)...the TSOs, FAMs, and LEOs get to shovel their sheeOUGHT.
On CNN, it was nice to hear fired TSA Federal Air Marshal whistleblower, Robert MacLean, give a shout-out to the front-line TSOs and FAMs who now have to deal with the fall-out from their senior executives' colossal EF-up.
While Gale Rossides and her cronies hide in the "Arlington Ivory Towers," waiting for Erroll Southers to kick them out the door with phat pensions (only to go work at cushy neo-con firms collecting a second 6-figure salary)...the TSOs, FAMs, and LEOs get to shovel their sheeOUGHT.
Dec 9, 2009, 12:37 am
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Re: CNN Anderson Cooper 360 show, 12/8
On CNN, it was nice to hear fired TSA Federal Air Marshal whistleblower, Robert MacLean, give a shout-out to the front-line TSOs and FAMs who now have to deal with the fall-out from their senior executives' colossal EF-up.
While Gale Rossides and her cronies hide in the "Arlington Ivory Towers," waiting for Erroll Southers to kick them out the door with phat pensions (only to go work at cushy neo-con firms collecting a second 6-figure salary)...the TSOs, FAMs, and LEOs get to shovel their sheeOUGHT.
On CNN, it was nice to hear fired TSA Federal Air Marshal whistleblower, Robert MacLean, give a shout-out to the front-line TSOs and FAMs who now have to deal with the fall-out from their senior executives' colossal EF-up.
While Gale Rossides and her cronies hide in the "Arlington Ivory Towers," waiting for Erroll Southers to kick them out the door with phat pensions (only to go work at cushy neo-con firms collecting a second 6-figure salary)...the TSOs, FAMs, and LEOs get to shovel their sheeOUGHT.
Dec 9, 2009, 3:02 am
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"Airport security doesn't come via obscurity. Transparency -- an anathema to the TSA -- is a must for accountability and systematic performance improvements in aviation security. This is something that the TSA and the unnecessarily paranoid talking heads on TV don't get."
Wow, GUWonder, that was beautifully written. I do not believe in mystique-based security. The SOP document didn't really contain anything earth-shattering. In fact, I think we pretty much knew most of what was written in there. But the idea that the TSA is so inept with document security highlights their failures as an organization.
The SOP also deflates the TSA's frequent arrogance about "sensitive" information. During confrontations, TSA staff have often pointed to "secret" knowledge, as if they operate in a precise, data and evidence driven environment.
I'm pleased with any bad press about the TSA, and they're getting plenty of it. This is all happening around the holidays, when more people are exposed to the frustrating nature of screening, and may help dig a greater hole for the TSA in the court of public opinion.
What troubles me is that the TSA might respond by making screening even more onerous. They may want to try to veil their incompetence by even more pointless ID inspections, overzealous inspection of prostheses, etc.
Dec 9, 2009, 3:51 am
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Fallout like the people they work for seeing their job descriptions and having the ability to know when they're doing their jobs wrong or simply lying to us? If you think that's fallout, imagine what their jobs would be like if we could read the all rules we're required to follow at the checkpoint. They might never catch us doing anything considered to be dangerous... because we'd know not to do those things.
Dec 9, 2009, 3:55 am
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This incident is the best thing that ever happened to Tiger Woods. :-)
This incident is the best thing that ever happened to Tiger Woods. :-)
Dec 9, 2009, 5:24 am
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"Airport security doesn't come via obscurity. Transparency -- an anathema to the TSA -- is a must for accountability and systematic performance improvements in aviation security. This is something that the TSA and the unnecessarily paranoid talking heads on TV don't get."
Wow, GUWonder, that was beautifully written. I do not believe in mystique-based security. The SOP document didn't really contain anything earth-shattering. In fact, I think we pretty much knew most of what was written in there. But the idea that the TSA is so inept with document security highlights their failures as an organization.
The SOP also deflates the TSA's frequent arrogance about "sensitive" information. During confrontations, TSA staff have often pointed to "secret" knowledge, as if they operate in a precise, data and evidence driven environment.
I'm pleased with any bad press about the TSA, and they're getting plenty of it. This is all happening around the holidays, when more people are exposed to the frustrating nature of screening, and may help dig a greater hole for the TSA in the court of public opinion.
What troubles me is that the TSA might respond by making screening even more onerous. They may want to try to veil their incompetence by even more pointless ID inspections, overzealous inspection of prostheses, etc.
Some of the news articles make this the greatest security leak since the Rosenburgs, when we know that document had nothing surprising in it.
Dec 9, 2009, 6:05 am
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Senate Homeland Security Committee is holding a hearing at 9:30 AM today called "Five Years After the Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act (IRTPA): Stopping Terrorist Travel". Should be entertaining:
http://hsgac.senate.gov/public/index...3-820344cf8be0
http://hsgac.senate.gov/public/index...3-820344cf8be0
Dec 9, 2009, 6:54 am
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The clown news network -- better known as CNN -- is saying this is a how-to-guide for terrorists and the biggest breach of airport security since 9/11.
Do these clowns not realize that competent terrorists aren't being stopped by the TSA and that airport security screeners weren't tasked to stop the terrorists or the weapons used by the terrorists on 9/11?
Do these clowns not realize that the TSA is already a big failure in reliably stopping weapons and explosives? The TSA's repeated failure to properly screen out for all weapons and explosives -- or the components for such -- is a far bigger threat to security than even the TSA's accidental transparency.
Airport security doesn't come via obscurity. Transparency -- an anathema to the TSA -- is a must for accountability and systematic performance improvements in aviation security. This is something that the TSA and the unnecessarily paranoid talking heads on TV don't get.
Do these clowns not realize that competent terrorists aren't being stopped by the TSA and that airport security screeners weren't tasked to stop the terrorists or the weapons used by the terrorists on 9/11?
Do these clowns not realize that the TSA is already a big failure in reliably stopping weapons and explosives? The TSA's repeated failure to properly screen out for all weapons and explosives -- or the components for such -- is a far bigger threat to security than even the TSA's accidental transparency.
Airport security doesn't come via obscurity. Transparency -- an anathema to the TSA -- is a must for accountability and systematic performance improvements in aviation security. This is something that the TSA and the unnecessarily paranoid talking heads on TV don't get.
the best summary of the whole TSA situation I've read in a long time. You should apply for the job as TSA Administrator.
Dec 9, 2009, 7:09 am
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Shouldn't that be "the thankless job"?
Leading TSA would be about as rewarding as leading the charge of the Light Brigade.
Dec 9, 2009, 7:15 am
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