SOP discussion
Dec 8, 2009, 9:06 pm
#272
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Oh, don't get me wrong ... absolutely, we should be better than unfounded rumor-mongering.
Still ... when those who use unfounded fear to advance their agenda suddenly find themselves on the receiving end of criticism based on unfounded fears, there's a certain symmetry which is pleasing ...
Still ... when those who use unfounded fear to advance their agenda suddenly find themselves on the receiving end of criticism based on unfounded fears, there's a certain symmetry which is pleasing ...
Dec 8, 2009, 9:15 pm
#275
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You made it in the MSNBC Article
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34335299/ns/travel-news
"On Sunday, the Wandering Aramean blog pointed out the document in a posting titled "The TSA makes another stupid move."
"On Sunday, the Wandering Aramean blog pointed out the document in a posting titled "The TSA makes another stupid move."
Dec 8, 2009, 9:15 pm
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I'm up in Canada and this is all over the news up here too, pretty funny given how everyone is calling this a HUGE security breach and how it gives people the playbook to get through a checkpoint but I looked at the document and really I don't see how this does much, pretty much a non-story as far as I can tell
Dec 8, 2009, 9:25 pm
#277
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I'm up in Canada and this is all over the news up here too, pretty funny given how everyone is calling this a HUGE security breach and how it gives people the playbook to get through a checkpoint but I looked at the document and really I don't see how this does much, pretty much a non-story as far as I can tell
Dec 8, 2009, 9:28 pm
#278
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"Former TSA Administrator Kip Hawley said the document is not something a security agency would want to inadvertently post online, but he said it's not a roadmap for terrorists.
Just like all the hyperventilating you used to do, right??
What the hell do you know about airport security, you incompetent jackass? You left the TSA knowing less about security than when you walked in, which was zero.
You are the moron who brought us the Shoe Carnival and Liquids Idiocy. From a security perspective, you don't know even the slightest thing to comment intelligently.
Kip Hawley and security are mutually exclusive. Getting this pants-wetting buffoon to make a statement simply underscores how much the TSA has screwed the pooch all these years, culminating in this latest embarrassment.
Crawl back under what ever rock is currently employing you, Kippie. You're more of an idiot than ever.
Originally Posted by Kip Hawley, Lying Idiot
Hyperventilating that this is a breach of security that's going to endanger the public is flat wrong," Hawley said.
What the hell do you know about airport security, you incompetent jackass? You left the TSA knowing less about security than when you walked in, which was zero.
You are the moron who brought us the Shoe Carnival and Liquids Idiocy. From a security perspective, you don't know even the slightest thing to comment intelligently.
Kip Hawley and security are mutually exclusive. Getting this pants-wetting buffoon to make a statement simply underscores how much the TSA has screwed the pooch all these years, culminating in this latest embarrassment.
Crawl back under what ever rock is currently employing you, Kippie. You're more of an idiot than ever.
Last edited by Spiff; Dec 8, 2009 at 9:33 pm
Dec 8, 2009, 9:29 pm
#279
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CNN had a story on this and you'd think the SIOP plans for nuclear war had been uncovered. A former DHS inspector general said he thought criminal charges might be in order over this. 
Having read the document, I am genuinely puzzled why this was deemed to be SSI to begin with. If anything, it should have been in the public domain from inception; it would cut down on innumerable misunderstandings and misperceptions at checkpoints. I'm open to hearing another viewpoint, but it seems to me that if TSA is actually doing its job, having this public does NOTHING to lower security.
Having read the document, I am genuinely puzzled why this was deemed to be SSI to begin with. If anything, it should have been in the public domain from inception; it would cut down on innumerable misunderstandings and misperceptions at checkpoints. I'm open to hearing another viewpoint, but it seems to me that if TSA is actually doing its job, having this public does NOTHING to lower security.
Dec 8, 2009, 9:32 pm
#280
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CNN had a story on this and you'd think the SIOP plans for nuclear war had been uncovered. A former DHS inspector general said he thought criminal charges might be in order over this.
Having read the document, I am genuinely puzzled why this was deemed to be SSI to begin with. If anything, it should have been in the public domain from inception; it would cut down on innumerable misunderstandings and misperceptions at checkpoints. I'm open to hearing another viewpoint, but it seems to me that if TSA is actually doing its job, having this public does NOTHING to lower security.
Having read the document, I am genuinely puzzled why this was deemed to be SSI to begin with. If anything, it should have been in the public domain from inception; it would cut down on innumerable misunderstandings and misperceptions at checkpoints. I'm open to hearing another viewpoint, but it seems to me that if TSA is actually doing its job, having this public does NOTHING to lower security.
Of course, if it's hidden then it allows the TSA to do pretty much anything it wants and claim "SOP" yet have the claim be unverifiable.
If the SOP were truly public domain, every member of the public would be another set of eyes making sure that the TSA is doing its job properly. That is likely what TSA management fears the most.
Dec 8, 2009, 9:36 pm
#281
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Dec 8, 2009, 9:37 pm
#282
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"After getting over the initial shock of how stupid that it seemed they were for putting out a document like that," Miller said in a phone interview, "I think the most significant risk is that when . . . you see some of the things that are marked as "security sensitive information, you have to sort of smack your hand on your forehead and say, 'What are they thinking?' "
Dec 8, 2009, 9:41 pm
#283
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"Former TSA Administrator Kip Hawley said the document is not something a security agency would want to inadvertently post online, but he said it's not a roadmap for terrorists.
Just like all the hyperventilating you used to do, right??
What the hell do you know about airport security, you incompetent jackass? You left the TSA knowing less about security than when you walked in, which was zero.
You are the moron who brought us the Shoe Carnival and Liquids Idiocy. From a security perspective, you don't know even the slightest thing to comment intelligently.
Kip Hawley and security are mutually exclusive. Getting this pants-wetting buffoon to make a statement simply underscores how much the TSA has screwed the pooch all these years, culminating in this latest embarrassment.
Crawl back under what ever rock is currently employing you, Kippie. You're more of an idiot than ever.
Just like all the hyperventilating you used to do, right??
What the hell do you know about airport security, you incompetent jackass? You left the TSA knowing less about security than when you walked in, which was zero.
You are the moron who brought us the Shoe Carnival and Liquids Idiocy. From a security perspective, you don't know even the slightest thing to comment intelligently.
Kip Hawley and security are mutually exclusive. Getting this pants-wetting buffoon to make a statement simply underscores how much the TSA has screwed the pooch all these years, culminating in this latest embarrassment.
Crawl back under what ever rock is currently employing you, Kippie. You're more of an idiot than ever.
Dec 8, 2009, 9:42 pm
#284
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8402909.stm
Article on the BBC and yes the Wandering Aramean was given credit for breaking the story. ^
Article on the BBC and yes the Wandering Aramean was given credit for breaking the story. ^
Dec 8, 2009, 9:45 pm
#285
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If Idiot Boy had said, "this document should have been open to the public", I might have had a modicum of respect for the little shoe pervert. Instead, he gave the same BS that he did when he was the so-called "administrator" of this abomination of an agency.
That quote of manure-for-brains Hawley can be found here:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34335299/ns/travel-news
I stand by my earlier comments. The disgusting Shoe Pervert named Kip Hawley who is directly responsible for the Shoe Carnival and the Liquids Idiocy can go straight to hell.