SOP discussion
Dec 9, 2009, 7:37 pm
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At some point between 8:45am and now they finally got the last vestiges of it off the fbo.gov site. It was still available there this morning. 
ETA: Apparently WOMAP was an unknown acronym prior to this leak. Whoopsie.
http://politics.theatlantic.com/2009...ce_program.php
ETA: Apparently WOMAP was an unknown acronym prior to this leak. Whoopsie.
http://politics.theatlantic.com/2009...ce_program.php
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Dec 9, 2009, 7:52 pm
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If they did and you can't find it on one of the offshore places hosting it, there's already a few copies floating around Bittorrent.
Dec 9, 2009, 7:58 pm
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Dec 9, 2009, 8:15 pm
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So let me get this straight - the TSA demanded that an outdated, unclassified version of its SOP manual be removed from websites - yeah right. In this case, as in most, speak louder than words.
And yes they could definitely take a page from the secret service. However, the difference there is that that SS is covering up for the white house staffer who signed off on the salihis (as they did for clinton during monicagate). Whereas the TSA is simply denying its own ineptitude.
And yes they could definitely take a page from the secret service. However, the difference there is that that SS is covering up for the white house staffer who signed off on the salihis (as they did for clinton during monicagate). Whereas the TSA is simply denying its own ineptitude.
By the way, there is a clear insinuation in some circles that this is far from being the only government-released PDF where redaction was done improperly.
Dec 9, 2009, 8:16 pm
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New PV update http://www.tsa.gov/blog
Dec 9, 2009, 8:18 pm
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New PV update http://www.tsa.gov/blog
Dec 9, 2009, 9:10 pm
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Well, Bob just posted the latest update to the TSA Blog, so it looks like he's still on the job ... 
White House, DHS and Congressional reps are all talking but no one at TSA (as far as I know) is speaking up.
Dec 9, 2009, 9:16 pm
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I've heard of no such thing yet either, but I have heard rumblings about checking out the IP addresses and more related to downloads of the documents.
By the way, there is a clear insinuation in some circles that this is far from being the only government-released PDF where redaction was done improperly.
By the way, there is a clear insinuation in some circles that this is far from being the only government-released PDF where redaction was done improperly.
I don't doubt this is the only screw up out there.
Dec 9, 2009, 11:24 pm
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I'm unsure why you'd not expect this reaction from the TSA/government. We're STILL waiting for an explanation for why The War Against Water is happening and it's been a few years already. No one at the TSA/DHS has spoken up because they know they have NO excuse for the bullmanure they put the flying public through.
Dec 10, 2009, 12:19 am
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I think TK did the right thing. Here's why: I document had been up on the internet for 9 months. Anyone who had wanted to read it surreptitiously has already read it. If terrorists/evildoers/waterdrinkers had wanted to use the information, the best possible way to use it would be to have it and not have the TSA know anyone had it.
This way, a document that had been publically exposed but not widely known places us a greater risk than it would if it were known to be exposed.
But this all presupposes that the TSA provides a useful flight security function, which it does not; That the TSA is effective which it is not; and that the TSA is the only way to protect an aircraft.
And everybody knows that they are not. Aircraft are safe today because every passenger knows that hijackers will not take them to a tropical vacation paradise, they will kill them. Aircraft are safe today because cockpit doors are reinforced and locked. Aircraft are safe today because there is likely a gun waiting on the other side of the cockpit door if someone does try to break in.
TSA does not protect us. Never has, never will. Now that their SOP is out on the internet, we are protected from TSA's arbitrary and capricious behavior, at least to a limited extent.
Vive Le Libertie!
This way, a document that had been publically exposed but not widely known places us a greater risk than it would if it were known to be exposed.
But this all presupposes that the TSA provides a useful flight security function, which it does not; That the TSA is effective which it is not; and that the TSA is the only way to protect an aircraft.
And everybody knows that they are not. Aircraft are safe today because every passenger knows that hijackers will not take them to a tropical vacation paradise, they will kill them. Aircraft are safe today because cockpit doors are reinforced and locked. Aircraft are safe today because there is likely a gun waiting on the other side of the cockpit door if someone does try to break in.
TSA does not protect us. Never has, never will. Now that their SOP is out on the internet, we are protected from TSA's arbitrary and capricious behavior, at least to a limited extent.
Vive Le Libertie!
Aircraft are safe today because every passenger knows that hijackers will not take them to a tropical vacation paradise, they will kill them.
Aircraft are safe today because cockpit doors are reinforced and locked.
Aircraft are safe today because there is likely a gun waiting on the other side of the cockpit door if someone does try to break in.
Yah, I know, the aforementioned could NEVER happen...just like they insisted on 9/10/2001 and prior...
Fly safe everyone!
Dec 10, 2009, 3:31 am
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But what about the Threat Levels??
The TSA SOP was an interesting 94 page read.
But what would be MORE interesting would be the manual of what differentiates the threat levels.
But what would be MORE interesting would be the manual of what differentiates the threat levels.
- Why have we been at threat level Orange all these years?
- Whats the diff between Orange, Yellow and Red?
- Will we EVER EVER be at Green? If not why even have Green??
Dec 10, 2009, 5:35 am
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The TSA SOP was an interesting 94 page read.
But what would be MORE interesting would be the manual of what differentiates the threat levels.
But what would be MORE interesting would be the manual of what differentiates the threat levels.
- Why have we been at threat level Orange all these years?
- Whats the diff between Orange, Yellow and Red?
- Will we EVER EVER be at Green? If not why even have Green??
The world may never know.
Even, I don't know.