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Well if I don't take a extreme, nitpicking view, this implies CX may be looking at AA's connecting traffic.
But without actual co-operation of AA? So it's up to award tix, OTAs to book AA flights into CX. And in one PNR, to ensure bags get booked checked through? It's about as "alliance" as CX flying to DXB. |
CX mentioned in other statements that DFW was in part about Latin American connecting traffic. That implies feeding AA.
Originally Posted by derek2010
(Post 36822168)
CX can also think of launching below routes:
1. CMN 2. YUL 3. HEL 4. LIS 5. CPT 6. MLE YUL - there was a big discussion about this on Airliners.net. Simple explanation is there's not enough premium traffic. It also doesn't have the diaspora feed that Toronto and Vancouver have. Many have thought Calgary was more likely. LIS - low priority seasonal at best maybe especially if they could effectively partner with TAP on Brazil routes. There's also maybe a tiny Macau population interested in this that could grow given ambitions there to link to the "Portuguese world." (There used to be a direct from Macau but there hasn't been for many years.) I traveled through frequently pre-Covid and the airport started incorporating a surprising amount of Chinese characters so maybe there's also some hidden popularity I'm not aware of. |
Originally Posted by moondog
(Post 36822295)
DFW sort of kills your argument, doesn't it?
https://simpleflying.com/cathay-paci...a-next-summer/ According to booking data, Cathay transported an estimated 2.1 million roundtrip passengers between Hong Kong and the US/Canada in the year to July 2024. It can be roughly broken down as follows:
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Originally Posted by Reply1984
(Post 36822385)
Not necessarily. In Europe CX has quite a few partners to connect their passengers to other European cities, such as LH at FRA/MUC and BA at LHR, so adding HEL is far from urgent. But in the US, feeding passengers into AA's flights at LAX/ORD seems not work well. Only 16% of CX's passengers will go to another US ports via a US hub according to the report quoted here. If my understanding is correct, AA's presence at LAX/ORD is declining but still robust at DFW. I think CX sees the potential here.
https://simpleflying.com/cathay-paci...a-next-summer/ |
Originally Posted by percysmith
(Post 36822350)
Well if I don't take a extreme, nitpicking view, this implies CX may be looking at AA's connecting traffic.
But without actual co-operation of AA? So it's up to award tix, OTAs to book AA flights into CX. And in one PNR, to ensure bags get booked checked through? It's about as "alliance" as CX flying to DXB. |
Originally Posted by US HK UK flyer
(Post 36822395)
I wonder how those CX numbers compare to other airlines. It's especially interesting that there's more connecting happening in HKG than stateside. My initial feeling is that, compared to most of the world with a few exceptions, US connections are a very bothersome deterrent - the need to go through immigration, collect your bag, etc.
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Originally Posted by US HK UK flyer
(Post 36822363)
LIS - low priority seasonal at best maybe especially if they could effectively partner with TAP on Brazil routes. There's also maybe a tiny Macau population interested in this that could grow given ambitions there to link to the "Portuguese world." (There used to be a direct from Macau but there hasn't been for many years.) I traveled through frequently pre-Covid and the airport started incorporating a surprising amount of Chinese characters so maybe there's also some hidden popularity I'm not aware of.
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Originally Posted by moondog
(Post 36822331)
All airport CEOs need to make claims like that, regardless of whether or not they are true.:D I will confess that I really like AA's DFW-PVG flight (minimal jetlag in both directions), but I've yet to meet someone who's actually started/finished it at DFW.
i think DFW does have some natural demand, given non oneworld airlines like KE, AF, EK fly to it right now. though still DFW is AA's biggest base and on towards latin america/ mexico/ caribbean/ south America, places no asian carrier can access easily, and given AA flew daily before, justifies the route a lot. HEL already has finnair, so whats the point of CX? considering all new routes are less than daily, and cathay still doesn't have daily in quite a lot of bigger markets, I would assume making everything daily is top priority at this point. after cathay has a extremely strong presence in western countries, considering more and more middle east/ africa/ central Asia ties lately, I still think cathay has a chance to go to those unserved markets to increase its global image and presence even further. it really depends on how the situation of the world and demand changes in the future... |
Originally Posted by Reply1984
(Post 36822409)
I read one report before that when AA operated HKG-DFW, 80% of the passengers would continue their trips to other cities via DFW. And combined with UA and CX’s HKG-ORD, over 55% of passengers connected at ORD(You can say UA carried more connected passengers).
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Originally Posted by US HK UK flyer
(Post 36822490)
Lacking codeshare on these routes is probably an issue with CX operating as well.
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Originally Posted by percysmith
(Post 36822574)
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Originally Posted by US HK UK flyer
(Post 36822363)
LIS - low priority seasonal at best maybe especially if they could effectively partner with TAP on Brazil routes. There's also maybe a tiny Macau population interested in this that could grow given ambitions there to link to the "Portuguese world." (There used to be a direct from Macau but there hasn't been for many years.) I traveled through frequently pre-Covid and the airport started incorporating a surprising amount of Chinese characters so maybe there's also some hidden popularity I'm not aware of.
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Originally Posted by percysmith
(Post 36822416)
Portuguese passport from Golden Visa 7 days per year for 5 years https://www.savoryandpartners.com/pr...tment/portugal. The direct route will be handy.
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Originally Posted by Too much travel
(Post 36827295)
Sometimes it feels like 10% of HK and 1% of Mainland PRC folks have applied for the Portugal residency / future passport scheme as their bolthole and / or second passport! I'm making those numbers up obviously, but there's a surprisingly highly number of HK / PRC people who now need to fulfil a minimum days' residency requirement in Portugal.
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Some bad news for US market prospects in here. Analysis of the top international routes from the US shows SFO-HKG fell from 8th to 65th between 2019 and 2024 (Oct 23-Oct 24 was analyzed). SimpleFlying attributes this in part to losing SQ and HX on the route, but also that CX traffic was still half what it was:
https://simpleflying.com/the-usas-to...by-passengers/ |
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