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Originally Posted by US HK UK flyer
(Post 36832519)
Some bad news for US market prospects in here. Analysis of the top international routes from the US shows SFO-HKG fell from 8th to 65th between 2019 and 2024 (Oct 23-Oct 24 was analyzed). SimpleFlying attributes this in part to losing SQ and HX on the route, but also that CX traffic was still half what it was:
https://simpleflying.com/the-usas-to...by-passengers/ |
Originally Posted by moondog
(Post 36832528)
Two TPE routes in the top 10? Interesting.
I don't know much much traffic other stuff like the chip industry really commands, or how much factors like the introduction of Starlux have played in. |
I personally (which, I realize doesn't mean a whole lot) regard TPE, TYO, ICN, and HKG as functionally equivalent transit points (between the US and China because direct flights still cost a lot more), so seeing TPE's strength v the others surprised me.
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Originally Posted by US HK UK flyer
(Post 36832536)
It's unclear if the presence of the TPE flights on the list is new. At least partly the numbers are driven by immigrant diaspora links. Lots more Taiwanese on the US West Coast...imagine the number may be higher for HK flights from Vancouver given more Hong Kongers there.
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Originally Posted by moondog
(Post 36832544)
I personally (which, I realize doesn't mean a whole lot) regard TPE, TYO, ICN, and HKG as functionally equivalent transit points (between the US and China because direct flights still cost a lot more), so seeing TPE's strength v the others surprised me.
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Originally Posted by wadia13
(Post 36832551)
Obviously not. Just as one example that has been discussed ad nauseam around here, TPE to SEA vs HKG to SEA (or lack of for the latter).
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Originally Posted by moondog
(Post 36832560)
The Seattle discussion has more to do with Seattle to Asia in general than TPE in particular. If BR, CI, JX, DL, PR, and soon AS hadn't scaled up there, there *might* be room for a HKG flight, but CX jumping into the current firestorm would be moronic.
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Originally Posted by wadia13
(Post 36832594)
Yes, but it's not just about transit point links. Immigrant diaspora links are just as important (or sometimes more so) in accounting for a particular route's popularity (as pointed out above). In this example, the large number of Taiwanese on US West Coast is one important factor driving demand between TPE and US West Coast.
which was not the case 10 years ago. CX can't compete anymore. |
Originally Posted by wadia13
(Post 36832594)
Yes, but it's not just about transit point links. Immigrant diaspora links are just as important (or sometimes more so) in accounting for a particular route's popularity (as pointed out above). In this example, the large number of Taiwanese on US West Coast is one important factor driving demand between TPE and US West Coast.
And, there are more SE Asians than Taiwanese there. |
Originally Posted by NZflyer777
(Post 36832599)
and a superior product by the Taiwanese airlines.
which was not the case 10 years ago. CX can't compete anymore. |
Originally Posted by moondog
(Post 36832605)
We're talking about Seattle, not California.
And, there are more SE Asians than Taiwanese there. |
Originally Posted by US HK UK flyer
(Post 36832519)
Some bad news for US market prospects in here. Analysis of the top international routes from the US shows SFO-HKG fell from 8th to 65th between 2019 and 2024 (Oct 23-Oct 24 was analyzed). SimpleFlying attributes this in part to losing SQ and HX on the route, but also that CX traffic was still half what it was:
https://simpleflying.com/the-usas-to...by-passengers/ |
Originally Posted by wadia13
(Post 36832724)
In terms of CX traffic on SFO-HKG being half of what it was, I wonder how much of this is geopolitical (so-called "decoupling" between US & China)?
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Originally Posted by lixiaojuventus
(Post 36832674)
What a joke! CX A350 fleets are vastly superior to CI and BR, not to mention their superior lounges.
CX just released its december 2024 resultsresults 2.2 million. The same size as CX in 2010 https://news.cathaypacific.com/catha...er-2010-171375 Which means in 14 years the net growth at CX is Zero.... No other major airline has grown zero% in 14 years. |
Originally Posted by NZflyer777
(Post 36832832)
No other major airline has grown zero% in 14 years.
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