Originally Posted by majorpuppy (Post 36903148)

this is fun to read...

SIN only has 2 A350 frequencies left (used to be all 8) and 1 A21N , rest are A330, despite SQ still sending mostly A350s. i guess there is overcapacity and the competition isnt healthy in SIN. i think the best solution would be to reduce flights from 8 to 5/6 daily and keep better planes, instead of sending mostly old A330s and even a A21N...

tokyo and Osaka got some A350s removed as expected, but A350s would also fly to PVG now. the A330's are also now working much harder than before because of the massive regional flight increases. 77P's are now flying to MNL (around 4 daily, thats a huge capacity increase), CEB, KUL and the other usual ones.

LHR using all huge aircraft as well, and the 35K's are mostly in NA routes. even AKL doesnt have it anymore.

also, 77A usage is very low. i guess the refit progress would be faster now.

Originally Posted by QRC3288 (Post 36903181)

That sucks.

It was shocking to me when they went from 4-5 to 8x daily. This is the flip side of that I guess. Too much capacity.

They're essentially saying the average buyer (probably corporate, skewed finance) is either too captive or too foolish to care. They might be right, especially about the captive part.

For me at least, it has been nice while it lasted (not having to guess whether my SIN J flight will be long-haul product or not). Ever since Covid CX has made things very pleasantly simple on that route (unlike before Covid, when you could regularly get regional J). Pre covid I had switched most of my SIN flying to SQ because of the predicability, and because SQ still offered F/suites on at least a flight or two a day. Easy to go back to that if CX is going to fly regional J and the 321s as competition.

Originally Posted by majorpuppy (Post 36903563)

CX also increased A330 usage massively this summer, especially to PVG/ PEK/SIN and other big regional destinations, that they are introducing a pretty sketchy 33A configuration, with a ex- first class too, sold as business. its so similar to the 77A, and 50 pretty outdated business class is almost as much as the 77A...

https://www.cathaypacific.com/cx/en_.../a330.html#33a

Originally Posted by QRC3288 (Post 36903181)

That sucks.

It was shocking to me when they went from 4-5 to 8x daily. This is the flip side of that I guess. Too much capacity.

They're essentially saying the average buyer (probably corporate, skewed finance) is either too captive or too foolish to care. They might be right, especially about the captive part.

For me at least, it has been nice while it lasted (not having to guess whether my SIN J flight will be long-haul product or not). Ever since Covid CX has made things very pleasantly simple on that route (unlike before Covid, when you could regularly get regional J). Pre covid I had switched most of my SIN flying to SQ because of the predicability, and because SQ still offered F/suites on at least a flight or two a day. Easy to go back to that if CX is going to fly regional J and the 321s as competition.

Originally Posted by majorpuppy (Post 36903563)

CX also increased A330 usage massively this summer, especially to PVG/ PEK/SIN and other big regional destinations, that they are introducing a pretty sketchy 33A configuration, with a ex- first class too, sold as business. its so similar to the 77A, and 50 pretty outdated business class is almost as much as the 77A...

https://www.cathaypacific.com/cx/en_.../a330.html#33a

Originally Posted by lixiaojuventus (Post 36903695)

That is huge news! Isn't that similar to the old KA A330 config with a first class cabin? According to the fleet page, the following aircraft are equipped with this config:B-HYG, B-HYI, B-HYJ, B-HYQ.
Are they bringing back these birds?

Originally Posted by pf007 (Post 36904061)

Did the 33A come from nowhere / what were they before?

Originally Posted by TomYoung (Post 36904604)

Cathay claims to be a premium airline but clearly it has become infected by the Hong Kong Express operation. Soon the A321s will pop up all round the region and then we will have the LCC favourites, the A330neo to suffer, while real premium airlines use A350s.

Originally Posted by SLGO (Post 36904640)

I reckon the downgrading and over supply on certain regional routes is caused by the decrease in transit business. CX is now charging sky high prices for long haul routes, regardless it’s an O&D or a transit itinerary. Not hard to imagine O&D pax that used to fill up regional routes like TPE SIN ICN are gone now, resulting in low demand and 32Q everywhere.

Originally Posted by majorpuppy (Post 36904690)

Plus icn and tpe has had the 21N for quite a while now...

Originally Posted by thomas164 (Post 36904622)

on premium routes during SS 2025. Who on earth puts A321 on SIN and PVG?

Originally Posted by moondog (Post 36904775)

Who bestowed premium status upon HKG-PVG (a route that commonly sells for well under 100 USD)? When? Why?