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starvelk Feb 17, 2025 6:47 am

As a result of the BKK-SIN cancellations and to keep up with the number of flights in both directions between HKG & BKK/HKG & SIN, CX has rostered additional flights to these destinations (not all flights run daily during the off-peak times in May/June/Sept/Oct etc)

SIN
The turnaround for CX759 was originally the SIN-BKK service. That has changed to CX758 (departing SIN 13:25, arriving HKG 17:35). Mostly scheduled on the A330 with a week or two scheduled on the 359 right now. (which is weird since all HKG-SIN flights are still rostered on the A330)
CX791 (new HKG-SIN service) added, departing HKG 11:45 and arriving SIN at 15:25. This seems to be the aircraft that would subsequently operate CX716. Scheduled on the A330 right now and coincides pretty much with CX739 (11:15-15:05)

BKK
New CX775 service departing HKG at 13:20, arriving BKK at 15:25. This seems to be the aircraft that would operate CX706 (which has the same timings as the old CX712/CX630).
New CX774 service departing BKK at 12:05, arriving HKG at 16:15. This would be the turnaround for CX717. Coincides with CX754, which departs 25 minutes later once again.

Reply1984 Feb 17, 2025 7:00 am


Originally Posted by TomYoung (Post 36900192)
Another one to return is DVO. I have often wondered why CX did not use CX 913 and 976 with a large aircraft (A330 or even B-777) to connect there in the middle of the night. Currently the frame only sits on the ground in MNL. Although the PAX loads to from DVO are probably small there is tremendous scope for exports of tropical fruit and seafood. If this arrived in HKG mid morning it could be forwarded to Northeast Asia and London same day in addition to being distributed throughout Hong Kong and the cost of sitting on the ground eliminated to offset the cost of flying.

DVO should be a UO destination.

jonessher Feb 17, 2025 5:46 pm


Originally Posted by Reply1984 (Post 36900341)
DVO should be a UO destination.

DVO is a 3 hour + route and I imagine the yield is not that high. There is also 5J on the route. So I would imagine it would be of lower priority than say routes to Japan.

allianceflyer9506 Feb 17, 2025 7:32 pm


Originally Posted by jonessher (Post 36902004)
DVO is a 3 hour + route and I imagine the yield is not that high. There is also 5J on the route. So I would imagine it would be of lower priority than say routes to Japan.

you are correct on that and here's the thing it's close to the provinces in Mindanao that grow fish when Dragonair did KA346/347 they need a special container that has Refrigeration to carry the fresh fish from Mindanao to Hong Kong then transferred to the white bodies towards North America and Europe

MeltingAlf Feb 17, 2025 8:32 pm


Originally Posted by jonessher (Post 36902004)
DVO is a 3 hour + route and I imagine the yield is not that high. There is also 5J on the route. So I would imagine it would be of lower priority than say routes to Japan.

Adding to the fact it's just been recently that SQ dropped DVO completely (it was originally served as a tag-on from CEB), I don't think CX would have the appetite (and desire) to resume DVO too

brunos Feb 17, 2025 9:54 pm


Originally Posted by MeltingAlf (Post 36902263)
Adding to the fact it's just been recently that SQ dropped DVO completely (it was originally served as a tag-on from CEB), I don't think CX would have the appetite (and desire) to resume DVO too

Many of the posts mix CX and UO.
Frankly, I am not interested by regional routes extensions or added frequencies by UO. And LCC UO seems the majority of those. UO has 5 flights to KIX and 4 to TPE for example.
You don't get any of the OW status benefits on those UO flights.

moondog Feb 17, 2025 10:10 pm


Originally Posted by brunos (Post 36902373)
Many of the posts mix CX and UO.

That's because CX killed off KA (with sound justification, I suppose), and has been using UO to make a go at former UO routes. Someone observed up thread that these tentacles provide increased viability to the network as a whole (i.e. if you want LGW or BHM, onward connections to places like MLE provide some incremental demand that might tip the scales).

I've previously stated that I think failing to provide any benefits whatsoever on UO flights that are included in CX itineraries is a misstep on management's part. Hopefully, they will start to come around on this (can't be that expensive to offer something) as they continue to expand the UO rollout.

thomas164 Feb 17, 2025 11:04 pm


Originally Posted by lixiaojuventus (Post 36895920)
Starting from March 30th, CX is adding one more frequency to PVG, making it a total of eight frequencies on the route.

CX302 HKG-PVG 2105-2355
CX303 PVG-HKG 0720-1010

Is the whole flight timetable for summer updated yet?

I saw that the whole Shanghai timetable is reshuffled, and some flights are not operated daily as in previous winter schedule (eg. For HK departures, CX360 & CX380 are not daily unlike now). At the same time, the newly-added CX328/327 to SHA is excluded from summer timetable, at least for now.

SLGO Feb 18, 2025 12:55 am


Originally Posted by thomas164 (Post 36902455)
Is the whole flight timetable for summer updated yet?

Negative. I still find a lot of place holders with 333, even on routes like KIX/NRT/SIN. With just less than 2 months out, CX still hasn’t finalised the schedule. With these place holders, they are going to miss out regional PEY market completely, and more price sensitive pax when only higher fare classes are available.

thomas164 Feb 18, 2025 1:17 am


Originally Posted by SLGO (Post 36902562)
Negative. I still find a lot of place holders with 333, even on routes like KIX/NRT/SIN. With just less than 2 months out, CX still hasn’t finalised the schedule. With these place holders, they are going to miss out regional PEY market completely, and more price sensitive pax when only higher fare classes are available.

I really don't understand why the schedules are not fixed, not just the aircraft type, but also the schedules. It almost feels like CX is trying to penalise passengers who book their flights early when flight options are limited, but charging us to change the flight to a preferred time.

ernestnywang Feb 18, 2025 2:25 am


Originally Posted by thomas164 (Post 36902592)
It almost feels like CX is trying to penalise passengers who book their flights early when flight options are limited, but charging us to change the flight to a preferred time.

I hate this, too, but maybe CX finds this helps maximise profit?

G-CIVC Feb 18, 2025 4:53 am

Cx just uploaded their S25 timetable, it’s a giant ‘F you’ to some of us…. they are actually sending their sub-par A32Q to SIN next season- just can’t believe this is for real

Microtat Feb 18, 2025 5:46 am


Originally Posted by G-CIVC (Post 36902915)
Cx just uploaded their S25 timetable, it’s a giant ‘F you’ to some of us…. they are actually sending their sub-par A32Q to SIN next season- just can’t believe this is for real

creepy - on the 635/636 rotation. I hope this is not for real

majorpuppy Feb 18, 2025 7:03 am

this is fun to read...
after so many long haul additions and frequencies:
SIN only has 2 A350 frequencies left (used to be all 8) and 1 A21N , rest are A330, despite SQ still sending mostly A350s. i guess there is overcapacity and the competition isnt healthy in SIN. i think the best solution would be to reduce flights from 8 to 5/6 daily and keep better planes, instead of sending mostly old A330s and even a A21N...

tokyo and Osaka got some A350s removed as expected, but A350s would also fly to PVG now. the A330's are also now working much harder than before because of the massive regional flight increases. 77P's are now flying to MNL (around 4 daily, thats a huge capacity increase), CEB, KUL, even PEN and SGN, and the other usual ones.

LHR using all huge aircraft as well, and the 35K's are mostly in NA routes. even AKL doesnt have it anymore.

also, 77A usage is very low. i guess the refit progress would be faster now.

QRC3288 Feb 18, 2025 7:13 am


Originally Posted by G-CIVC (Post 36902915)
Cx just uploaded their S25 timetable, it’s a giant ‘F you’ to some of us…. they are actually sending their sub-par A32Q to SIN next season- just can’t believe this is for real

That sucks.

It was shocking to me when they went from 4-5 to 8x daily. This is the flip side of that I guess. Too much capacity.

They're essentially saying the average buyer (probably corporate, skewed finance) is either too captive or too foolish to care. They might be right, especially about the captive part.

For me at least, it has been nice while it lasted (not having to guess whether my SIN J flight will be long-haul product or not). Ever since Covid CX has made things very pleasantly simple on that route (unlike before Covid, when you could regularly get regional J). Pre covid I had switched most of my SIN flying to SQ because of the predicability, and because SQ still offered F/suites on at least a flight or two a day. Easy to go back to that if CX is going to fly regional J and the 321s as competition.


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