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CX860 Dec 27, 2024 6:48 am


Originally Posted by B-HQC (Post 36764726)
Been on HX a couple of times this year (SH) and they were serving hot meals.

I don't agree with this. The 359/35K are my least favourite in the fleet in LH J, due to the location and configuration of the lavatories (front lavatories being right in the cabin rather than in the galley area) and the bulkheads not having larger footwells. 333s have the same exact cirrus reverse herringbones, only from a previous generation with better padding, and with 11A being a great seat. Not miserable by any stretch.

The previous generation is noticeable. The seats in the ones I have been on this year are (literally) falling apart. And it might just be me but infisn the 333 ones a little narrower. Not that the 333s are terrible but they do need an update and I would take the 350s over a 333.

moondog Dec 27, 2024 7:10 am


Originally Posted by B-HQC (Post 36764533)
Any competition is welcome, but I don't think an airline that can't even afford to pay to keep the IFE on can be regarded as a serious competitor. There's no comparision in terms of network/alliances and freqencies for starters, let alone the quality of the product. I believe what HX is trying to go after is mainly transit passengers from Mainland China, fed in by HX, due to the lack of frequencies to NA from China. It may result in some promotional activity but I don't expect it to affect CX in a material way, especially in premium cabins.

Don't you recall the impact HX had on markets in which competed pre-Covid? Adding supply always affects incumbents.

brunos Dec 27, 2024 9:58 am


Originally Posted by B-HQC (Post 36764726)
Been on HX a couple of times this year (SH) and they were serving hot meals.

I don't agree with this. The 359/35K are my least favourite in the fleet in LH J, due to the location and configuration of the lavatories (front lavatories being right in the cabin rather than in the galley area) and the bulkheads not having larger footwells. 333s have the same exact cirrus reverse herringbones, only from a previous generation with better padding, and with 11A being a great seat. Not miserable by any stretch.

All the discussion is about J, but A330 in Y have a great benefit for a couple in Y to be 2x4x2, so lots of pair seats.

fakecd Dec 31, 2024 7:38 pm

HKG-BNE they finally loaded new night flight for NS25. this time is 5 weekly additional. I wished they scheduled earlier departures. New return flight allows for better connection onwards to Europe from Brisbane.
CX 165HKG
05/29/25 12:40 AM
BNE
05/29/25 11:05 AM
359
M,T,W,Th,Sa

Return is
CX 150
BNE
07/12/25 12:35 PM
HKG
07/12/25 7:30 PM
359
M,T,W,Th,Sa


Note that for NW24 schedule used to be 3 weekly night flights
CX 1530HKG
02/17/25 11:20 PM
BNE
02/18/25 9:55 AM
77W
Su,M,Th

pf007 Jan 2, 2025 7:49 pm

UO to launch Sendai flights within the year

Source: some guy on behalf of R. Lam via email

moondog Jan 2, 2025 8:15 pm


Originally Posted by pf007 (Post 36782710)
UO to launch Sendai flights within the year

Source: some guy on behalf of R. Lam via email

Any news on Mainland markets that KA abandoned (e.g. KWL, NNG, CSX)? I know many of you guys love to whine about UO, but i strongly prefer them to anything involving SZX.

lixiaojuventus Jan 2, 2025 10:03 pm


Originally Posted by pf007 (Post 36782710)
UO to launch Sendai flights within the year

Source: some guy on behalf of R. Lam via email

In the same email, they announced that CX is returning to BRU! Great news!


Cathay Pacific is launching new routes to Dallas and Munich, and returning to Hyderabad and Brussels. HK Express will be adding flights to Sendai, with more on the way. Together, the two airlines project to operate passenger services to 100 destinations around the world within 2025, a meaningful milestone for the Cathay Group.

pochi Jan 2, 2025 11:06 pm


Originally Posted by moondog (Post 36782755)
Any news on Mainland markets that KA abandoned (e.g. KWL, NNG, CSX)? I know many of you guys love to whine about UO, but i strongly prefer them to anything involving SZX.

For those three, I think they were abandoned due to high-speed rail:(

lixiaojuventus Jan 2, 2025 11:26 pm


Originally Posted by pochi (Post 36782997)
For those three, I think they were abandoned due to high-speed rail:(

Given that CX maintains twice daily flights to CAN, I would think high-speed rail (HSR) alone does not explain it. Probably still the lack of international demands from these cities is also a reason.

upward gaze Jan 2, 2025 11:47 pm


Originally Posted by moondog (Post 36782755)
Any news on Mainland markets that KA abandoned (e.g. KWL, NNG, CSX)? I know many of you guys love to whine about UO, but i strongly prefer them to anything involving SZX.

KMG too. KA used to have a daily A330(?) service. Now it's just down to MU at 12 weekly flights.

majorpuppy Jan 3, 2025 12:33 am


Originally Posted by lixiaojuventus (Post 36783029)
Given that CX maintains twice daily flights to CAN, I would think high-speed rail (HSR) alone does not explain it. Probably still the lack of international demands from these cities is also a reason.

The CAN route i think is to steal china southern passengers, plus Cathay flies much more long haul destinations than CZ so it makes sense. Mainland China is such an important market to both CX and UO so perhaps these places would resume soon, or there really isn't any international demand

starvelk Jan 4, 2025 8:43 pm

From AeroRoutes (Chinese):

UO, GBA and CX have gained approval from CAAC to start the following routes to/from Mainland China, the list of destinations that have received approval but have not yet started service are as follows:
UO: Nantong, Chaoshan Jieyang, Changzhou, Xuzhou, Yiwu, Xishuangbanna (from 27/10/2024); Guangzhou, Urumuqi (from 01/12/2024)
GBA: Haikou, Hohhot, Harbin, Kunming, Xining
CX: Urumuqi (from 31/03/2025)

I understand that gaining approval =/= starting flights to these destinations, but this may offer some hints regarding new routes that these airlines are about to begin
Interesting that most of these cities are third-tier cities. Also quite interesting to see UO gaining approval to start flights to CAN -- to my understanding the load factors on HKG-CAN have been quite pleasing with all the transit passengers, but would passengers be willing to do one leg on UO metal instead of CX metal?
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...68112dafa5.jpg

Source: https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1EicuBwSjw/

pochi Jan 5, 2025 6:29 pm


Originally Posted by starvelk (Post 36788358)
From AeroRoutes (Chinese):

UO, GBA and CX have gained approval from CAAC to start the following routes to/from Mainland China, the list of destinations that have received approval but have not yet started service are as follows:
UO: Nantong, Chaoshan Jieyang, Changzhou, Xuzhou, Yiwu, Xishuangbanna (from 27/10/2024); Guangzhou, Urumuqi (from 01/12/2024)
GBA: Haikou, Hohhot, Harbin, Kunming, Xining
CX: Urumuqi (from 31/03/2025)

I understand that gaining approval =/= starting flights to these destinations, but this may offer some hints regarding new routes that these airlines are about to begin
Interesting that most of these cities are third-tier cities. Also quite interesting to see UO gaining approval to start flights to CAN -- to my understanding the load factors on HKG-CAN have been quite pleasing with all the transit passengers, but would passengers be willing to do one leg on UO metal instead of CX metal?
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...68112dafa5.jpg

Source: https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1EicuBwSjw/

If UO can operate 1 slot ex-CAN more, that would be more competitive.
Right now, CX983 is too late for an early morning bank departure for transit ex-HKG, and CX988 is too early for the late evening bank for intra-Asia transit to CAN. (Skypier to ZhongShan last departure 20:20)

VE105 Jan 5, 2025 8:47 pm


Originally Posted by pochi (Post 36791154)
If UO can operate 1 slot ex-CAN more, that would be more competitive.
Right now, CX983 is too late for an early morning bank departure for transit ex-HKG, and CX988 is too early for the late evening bank for intra-Asia transit to CAN. (Skypier to ZhongShan last departure 20:20)

But to serve those 2 purposes UO need to park a plane at CAN overnight? Like ex-HKG 23:00 and ex-CAN 08:00?
I would rather CX/UO operate 1 more pair of flights in between the current 2 pairs for morning Europe/US transit (now CX982 departs too early) and evening to before 00:30 Europe/AU/NZ transit (now CX989 arrives too late, basically miss the whole night departure peak), for example, ex-HKG 14:00 and ex-CAN 16:30

starvelk Jan 5, 2025 11:14 pm


Originally Posted by pochi (Post 36791154)
If UO can operate 1 slot ex-CAN more, that would be more competitive.
Right now, CX983 is too late for an early morning bank departure for transit ex-HKG, and CX988 is too early for the late evening bank for intra-Asia transit to CAN. (Skypier to ZhongShan last departure 20:20)

With so many spare A330s, I would imagine that CX would do the flight instead of UO? It's interesting though


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