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US HK UK flyer May 13, 2024 8:14 pm


Originally Posted by TomYoung (Post 36229942)
According to the SCMP "Hong Kong needs more direct flights to 8 new cities in the solo traveller scheme". It goes on to list: Taiyuan, Hohhot, Harbin, Lhasa, Lanzhou, Xining, Yinchuan and Urumqi. Dream on Canberra.

I told you it would be mainland cities you hadn't heard of. ;)

(Most have probably heard of many on that list but...Xining and Yinchuan would probably scratch some heads.

TravellingChris May 14, 2024 11:34 am


Originally Posted by Reply1984 (Post 36231680)
I don’t think CX is constrained by the bilateral agreement in terms of its flights to Canada. YVR will be increased to 2 daily in the preliminary 24/25 winter season. It is still about CX’s crew resources.

Does the bilateral allow CX to add service to any Canadian cities it chooses, or is it restricted to Toronto, Vancouver and Montreal? For comparison, as I understand it the bilateral with Thailand is extremely restrictive and didn't allow TG to serve YVR, even when it was operating direct flights to North America in the past.

I wonder if service to YYC would be viable by CX, crew resources permitting. The carrier does have a longstanding relationship with WS and Calgary is WS' fortress hub.

I wonder if WS had the aircraft (if they hadn't foolishly cancelled their future Dreamliners) if HKG wouldn't be the next city in Asia WS might serve itself. Seems like a logical next step after Narita and Incheon.

moondog May 15, 2024 12:21 am


Originally Posted by Reply1984 (Post 36231680)
I don’t think CX is constrained by the bilateral agreement in terms of its flights to Canada. YVR will be increased to 2 daily in the preliminary 24/25 winter season. It is still about CX’s crew resources.

I guess I might have been overthinking or reading too much into the Canada comments. Upon further reflection, 2x to both YVR and YYZ seems about right to me during the medium term, and it's not difficult to think of other destinations (not in Canada) that make more sense than Calgary.

US HK UK flyer May 16, 2024 5:53 pm

Saudi tourism minister says details on "more direct flights" from the country to HK soon (aren't there currently none?)...could be CX, but given the spokesperson quite possibly one of theirs?

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/dipl...c-tourism-lift

JW95 May 18, 2024 12:14 pm

European route resumptions?
 
On the European side, is there any news of any suspended routes resuming? FCO was long served by CX for decades prior to being suspended, and I also note that Rome is no longer listed as an airport on Cathay's website. Likewise, will any of the routes introduced under Rupert Hogg while he was CEO return? (DUB, BRU, LGW?)

US HK UK flyer May 18, 2024 5:20 pm


Originally Posted by JW95 (Post 36242899)
On the European side, is there any news of any suspended routes resuming? FCO was long served by CX for decades prior to being suspended, and I also note that Rome is no longer listed as an airport on Cathay's website. Likewise, will any of the routes introduced under Rupert Hogg while he was CEO return? (DUB, BRU, LGW?)

To summarize what we know from before: Barcelona resuming in June and strong rumors of LGW in October, but that's it for these in terms of info.

fakecd May 18, 2024 11:52 pm


Originally Posted by US HK UK flyer (Post 36243430)
To summarize what we know from before: Barcelona resuming in June and strong rumors of LGW in October, but that's it for these in terms of info.

doubt LGW. Its not even being loaded to northen winter 24/25 schedule yet. Id expect first schedule loaded with zero out as leading indicator of resUmption

JW95 May 19, 2024 6:31 am


Originally Posted by fakecd (Post 36243817)
doubt LGW. Its not even being loaded to northen winter 24/25 schedule yet. Id expect first schedule loaded with zero out as leading indicator of resUmption

I'm unsure. CX have been quite late in finalising schedules and a/c allocation, I think partly due to current staff shortages following the pandemic, so I wouldn't rule it out entirely at this stage. For example, they were late in finalising schedules for LHR this summer; at one stage, they were showing 1 daily 77W and 4 daily 359 before confirming the current a/c allocation.

As US HK UK flyer says, LGW has been frequently hinted as potentially resuming towards the end of October this year, which is also something I have heard of. I personally hope it'll come back, but assuming it will, I'm surprised there's been no announcements/confirmation of the route returning (yet) with just over 5 months to go, I thought they would have announced something by now. Furthermore, LHR now sees 2 daily A359s (in addition to the other 3 77W), which is down capacity-wise compared to W23, which had been up to 4 daily 77W and 1 daily 35K (later switched to a 77W). Given this, is extra capacity needed at Gatwick yet? I was surprised to see the A359 back at LHR this summer, because I thought they would've opted for 5 77Ws (LHR) and send the A359 back to LGW instead of LHR.

wadia13 May 19, 2024 7:44 am

From a flyer/customer's view, what is the advantage of flying from Hong Kong to Gatwick instead of Hong Kong to Heathrow?

Freddorick May 19, 2024 7:46 am


Originally Posted by wadia13 (Post 36244262)
From a flyer/customer's view, what is the advantage of flying from Hong Kong to Gatwick instead of Hong Kong to Heathrow?

It’s easier to get LGW slots. Also if you fly LON-HKG, but don’t live in west London you might prefer LGW.

JW95 May 19, 2024 9:43 am


Originally Posted by Freddorick (Post 36244268)
It’s easier to get LGW slots. Also if you fly LON-HKG, but don’t live in west London you might prefer LGW.

Agreed. Just to add to your points on passenger advantages for LGW:
  • LGW is generally regarded as a more relaxed airport compared to LHR. I flew CX from LGW several times prior to its suspension, and flying from the South Terminal generally felt nicer versus the airport experience of LHR Terminal 3. The airport is unrecognisable now compared to the Gatwick in the BAA era, and it shows, GIP have done very well to revitalise LGW. Yes, a disadvantage is that there is no CX lounge at LGW, but they did (and presumably will again if/when they return) allow business class passengers to use the BA South Terminal lounges which are good.
  • Provides more choice and flexibility for passengers wishing to fly CX but avoid LHR.
  • Fares were marginally cheaper from LGW on CX versus their LHR flights due to lower airport costs at Gatwick.

TravellingChris May 19, 2024 9:55 am


Originally Posted by Freddorick (Post 36244268)
It’s easier to get LGW slots. Also if you fly LON-HKG, but don’t live in west London you might prefer LGW.

Heathrow is the better option. More onward destinations, particularly long-haul. And ground transport is arguably superior from LHR into central London than from LGW.

cheung.chunyuenc May 21, 2024 9:13 pm


Originally Posted by TravellingChris (Post 36244531)
Heathrow is the better option. More onward destinations, particularly long-haul. And ground transport is arguably superior from LHR into central London than from LGW.

LGW is a substitute of LHR, I agree

yet,
Demand to UK is high
In case LHR flights are overbooked, passengers can transfer to LGW flight
LGW has a lower airport tax
LHR doesn't have sufficient slot

that's why airlines consider LGW or even STN

derek2010 May 22, 2024 8:31 am

how about the following:
1. AUH
2. SEA
3. ARN
4. MUC
5. IAD
6. DFW
7. CPH
8. EWR

moondog May 22, 2024 10:36 am


Originally Posted by derek2010 (Post 36251655)
how about the following:
1. AUH
2. SEA
3. ARN
4. MUC
5. IAD
6. DFW
7. CPH
8. EWR

I highly doubt they'd put their DOT good graces with either of these (i.e. they require Russia overflights on the way back).


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