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Originally Posted by moondog
(Post 36252040)
I highly doubt they'd put their DOT good graces with either of these (i.e. they require Russia overflights on the way back).
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Originally Posted by KhemaneyBoy
(Post 36252208)
All their return flights from JFK, BOS, ORD and use Russian airspace. Given that, I doubt the DOT would stand in CX's way if they wanted to resume.
In addition to these general sentiments, I'd bet my bottom dollar that United Airlines would make EWR and IAD relaunches as painful as possible for CX until it is also permitted to operate flights in Russian airspace. I don't think this is a battle worth fighting for CX, especially given that there isn't a shortage of other routes for them to launch/relaunch. |
Timing of Resumed CX899 for onwards connection to Philippines from HKG
Originally Posted by moondog
(Post 36252040)
I highly doubt they'd put their DOT good graces with either of these (i.e. they require Russia overflights on the way back).
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Originally Posted by allianceflyer9506
(Post 36260481)
For EWR CX890/899 on the on the return trip it has to connect to both CX907 HKG-MNL T3 and CX921 HKG-CEB arriving at the same time in HKG as CX843 from JFK T8. Which meant this have the JFK T8-HKG CX843 plane become CX907 to MNL replacing the currently scheduled A321-251N B-HPx and then have CX899 plane do the HKG-CEB CX921.
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Personal story on HKG-MNL
Originally Posted by moondog
(Post 36260672)
Why are you so hung up on MNL? CX already flies there using several different a/c types. Some of those flights might connect nicely with its NYC flights, and some might not. But, why does this matter?
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Originally Posted by allianceflyer9506
(Post 36260687)
I ended up flying HKG-MNL 4 times which is why I'm familiar with it. Looking at the NYC flights they're timed to MNL flights with in 1-2hrs. Same is said for CX902 connecting to CX844 and furthermore CX fares can be cheaper than PR126/127. When my mother went back from PER on CX840 HKG-JFK B-LXL December 13th 2022. Her seat mate was a Filipino who connected from CX906/930 from MNL T3
1) HKG-JFK is the golden cow 2) HKG-MNL is useful, but not important 3) Making special arrangements to optimize connections between 1 and 2 would be a boneheaded decision |
It is possibly rumored CX would resume Cairns (CNS) flights with this seasonal schedule from December this year
CX 147 HKG 01:05-10:30 CNS CX 146 CNS 12:00-17:15 HKG Definitely think it's those subsidies... didn't expect this one to be resumed of all destinations |
Originally Posted by moondog
(Post 36253129)
JFK, BOS, and ORD either operated throughout most of the Covid period or were resumed before unions, lobbyists, and politicians made a stink about the "unfair advantage" Russian overflying affords to foreign carriers.
In addition to these general sentiments, I'd bet my bottom dollar that United Airlines would make EWR and IAD relaunches as painful as possible for CX until it is also permitted to operate flights in Russian airspace. I don't think this is a battle worth fighting for CX, especially given that there isn't a shortage of other routes for them to launch/relaunch. Same goes to LGW, there is still quite some room for CX to increase capacity to LHR (frequency, replace 35G by 77K), LGW should only comes back when LHR is back to 6 77A/77K per day and still couldn't cope with the demand. |
Originally Posted by VE105
(Post 36264321)
I remember IAD performed poorly even before Covid hit......as for EWR, I don't see there is urgency for its relaunch when CX is still sending 359 to JFK...
Same goes to LGW, there is still quite some room for CX to increase capacity to LHR (frequency, replace 35G by 77K), LGW should only comes back when LHR is back to 6 77A/77K per day and still couldn't cope with the demand. |
Originally Posted by moondog
(Post 36264336)
Both EWR and IAD would piss off UA.
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Originally Posted by thomas164
(Post 36264346)
Just curious why would CX mind pissing off UA?
2. UA doesn't like the fact that other airlines utilize Russian airspace 3; Legally speaking, CX could fly to EWR, but doing so would invoke things like closed gates and/or runways |
Originally Posted by thomas164
(Post 36264346)
Just curious why would CX mind pissing off UA?
Launching EWR would go against this strategy. as others here have suggested,all other major world airlines don't know what they are doing . The CX strategy of reduced flights to global high GDP cities like NYC- CDG, London etc so they can launch flights to Riyadh is the more financially sound decision. |
Originally Posted by NZflyer777
(Post 36264471)
since Lam has taken over his goal has been to actively hand over market share to competitors and weaken HK's position in Asia.
Launching EWR would go against this strategy. as others here have suggested,all other major world airlines don't know what they are doing . The CX strategy of reduced flights to global high GDP cities like NYC- CDG, London etc so they can launch flights to Riyadh is the more financially sound decision. Rather, it will exercise its corporate responsibility to protect its hub airports. Furthermore, there is a near zero chance that CX will venture into this battle. |
Originally Posted by moondog
(Post 36260769)
Allow me to put this simply:
1) HKG-JFK is the golden cow 2) HKG-MNL is useful, but not important 3) Making special arrangements to optimize connections between 1 and 2 would be a boneheaded decision Of course, it would not be ideal to optimise connections for one specific flight but I can assure you that it is to a lot of people's advantage that these flights are conveniently timed.
Originally Posted by VE105
(Post 36264321)
I remember IAD performed poorly even before Covid hit......as for EWR, I don't see there is urgency for its relaunch when CX is still sending 359 to JFK...
Same goes to LGW, there is still quite some room for CX to increase capacity to LHR (frequency, replace 35G by 77K), LGW should only comes back when LHR is back to 6 77A/77K per day and still couldn't cope with the demand.
Originally Posted by NZflyer777
(Post 36264471)
since Lam has taken over his goal has been to actively hand over market share to competitors and weaken HK's position in Asia.
Launching EWR would go against this strategy. as others here have suggested,all other major world airlines don't know what they are doing . The CX strategy of reduced flights to global high GDP cities like NYC- CDG, London etc so they can launch flights to Riyadh is the more financially sound decision. As for Riyadh, well remember that a NYC rotation takes 16hrs + 3hrs (minimum) turnaround + 16hrs back = 35hrs, in which you could operate 2 Riyadh rotations. So again, resources. The strategy is evident. Get people, build up their schedule and once there's supply, they will see demand coming. |
Originally Posted by moondog
(Post 36264359)
1. IAD and EWR are UA hubs
2. UA doesn't like the fact that other airlines utilize Russian airspace 3; Legally speaking, CX could fly to EWR, but doing so would invoke things like closed gates and/or runways |
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