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Cathay has chosen to avoid Russia when it can. See the flight patterns; it won't fly over Russian territory unless it's virtually impossible not to (inbound from the North American east coast only)...Europe flights are still longer than they would be otherwise going around. It is clearly not going to be just ruthlessly commercial about a decision to fly to Russia when it will not even fly over it most of the time.
And there is a question mark hovering over the commercial opportunity involved in flying to Russia. Aeroflot only recently reestablished its own direct flights to HK; are these full? Despite it being one place Russians could now theoretically go in the world, HK has not been a massive draw for them compared to Dubai. Meanwhile, the finance industry in HK fears the secondary sanctions impact of being involved with the country. The connecting traffic to/from Southeast Asia may not be enough, especially since any mainland traffic to Russia would be less likely to want to backtrack south to HK and a lot of that traffic would likely be Russians going to Thailand/Bali for leisure purposes - many of whom are looking for a cheaper trip than CX offers. |
Originally Posted by US HK UK flyer
(Post 36172169)
Cathay has chosen to avoid Russia when it can. See the flight patterns; it won't fly over Russian territory unless it's virtually impossible not to (inbound from the North American east coast only)...Europe flights are still longer than they would be otherwise going around. It is clearly not going to be just ruthlessly commercial about a decision to fly to Russia when it will not even fly over it most of the time.
And there is a question mark hovering over the commercial opportunity involved in flying to Russia. Aeroflot only recently reestablished its own direct flights to HK; are these full? Despite it being one place Russians could now theoretically go in the world, HK has not been a massive draw for them compared to Dubai. Meanwhile, the finance industry in HK fears the secondary sanctions impact of being involved with the country. The connecting traffic to/from Southeast Asia may not be enough, especially since any mainland traffic to Russia would be less likely to want to backtrack south to HK and a lot of that traffic would likely be Russians going to Thailand/Bali for leisure purposes - many of whom are looking for a cheaper trip than CX offers. |
Originally Posted by Philipp Morgenstern
(Post 36172499)
Well there is certainly demand from the Canton region with CZ flying from Guangzhou and Shenzhen.
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Originally Posted by Philipp Morgenstern
(Post 36172073)
why is that a problem?. Plenty of airlines around the world are flying to Moscow and western countries at the same time.
As I recall no major European airline (other than Turkish) currently fly to Russia but of course a couple of mainland Chinese airlines do. Cathay have I believe never flown to Russia although they did go as far as adding it to there schedule about 15 years ago - it was never flown and I understand was vetoed by the parent John Swire and Sons. There is no likelihood that Cathay will fly to Moscow any time soon if ever. |
Originally Posted by oldchinahand
(Post 36174094)
Cathay have I believe never flown to Russia although they did go as far as adding it to there schedule about 15 years ago - it was never flown and I understand was vetoed by the parent John Swire and Sons.
There is no likelihood that Cathay will fly to Moscow any time soon if ever. https://hongkongbusiness.hk/aviation...moscow-service https://news.cathaypacific.com/catha...vice-from-june |
Originally Posted by oldchinahand
(Post 36174094)
Cathay have I believe never flown to Russia although they did go as far as adding it to there schedule about 15 years ago - it was never flown and I understand was vetoed by the parent John Swire and Sons. There is no likelihood that Cathay will fly to Moscow any time soon if ever. IIRC, CX announced HKG-DME-MAN initially but was refused 5th freedom by Russia. But it did eventually launched a standalone DME flight which lasted a few years. CX announced Moscow Manchester |
Originally Posted by sfosuw
(Post 36174313)
CX definitely did serve DME with the A340 and codeshared with S7. I’ve personally flown it once from DE to HK on a S7 business fare for around $1k USD oneway. As I recalled, the flight was barely half full. The ground experience at DME and the S7 lounge that CX used left a lot to be desired.
IIRC, CX announced HKG-DME-MAN initially but was refused 5th freedom by Russia. But it did eventually launched a standalone DME flight which lasted a few years. CX announced Moscow Manchester |
Originally Posted by oldchinahand
(Post 36174094)
....and most do not.
As I recall no major European airline (other than Turkish) currently fly to Russia but of course a couple of mainland Chinese airlines do. Cathay have I believe never flown to Russia although they did go as far as adding it to there schedule about 15 years ago - it was never flown and I understand was vetoed by the parent John Swire and Sons. There is no likelihood that Cathay will fly to Moscow any time soon if ever. |
Originally Posted by Reply1984
(Post 36026817)
Just some guess:
Maybe the migration wave after 2019 might change the expansion plan of CX. UK, Canada and Australia are the most popular destinations. While Australia is well served, some second tier cities in UK and Canada could be the potential target. For example, Montreal and Calgary in Canada and Birmingham and Edinburgh in UK are good candidates for the new service. Apart from that, Newark EWR could also be back soon. The Russian airspace issues could not be solved in the foreseeable future and the east coast is in serious supply shortage. |
Originally Posted by dmatthew
(Post 36166407)
Seems that CRK-HKG is really going to be run by HK Express:
https://www.hkexpress.com/en-hk/see/...-guides/clark/ |
CX is going 12 daily for HKG-TPE route from July 2024. (But some are operated by A321).
their load factor is only 60% for this route. Not sure why they would want to increase their capacity? EVA and CI also having 60% load factor while UO/HK airline are having 80% load factors |
Originally Posted by sbs2716g
(Post 36193895)
CX is going 12 daily for HKG-TPE route from July 2024. (But some are operated by A321).
their load factor is only 60% for this route. Not sure why they would want to increase their capacity? EVA and CI also having 60% load factor while UO/HK airline are having 80% load factors If they want their stock price to go up or sustain their business model they need to regain the market share they had pre covid. so going 12 daily makes sense. |
Originally Posted by sbs2716g
(Post 36193895)
CX is going 12 daily for HKG-TPE route from July 2024. (But some are operated by A321).
their load factor is only 60% for this route. Not sure why they would want to increase their capacity? EVA and CI also having 60% load factor while UO/HK airline are having 80% load factors Also, it's a relatively cheap trip to operate with quick flight times and fast turnarounds meaning the same plane/crew can be used over and over throughout the day, so the cost/benefit equation can work out in their favor even if load factor isn't the best. |
Starlux Airlines will begin service to Hong Kong soon since they receive 16 weekly slots - two daily flights with two weekly flights.
Tiger Airways also receives some slots to Hong Kong. Both airlines have to start service before winter, if they want to hang on to the slots. While these new entrants will not really affect CX much, CX still wants to protect its turf. Carfield |
Originally Posted by Carfield
(Post 36194060)
Starlux Airlines will begin service to Hong Kong soon since they receive 16 weekly slots - two daily flights with two weekly flights.
Tiger Airways also receives some slots to Hong Kong. Both airlines have to start service before winter, if they want to hang on to the slots. While these new entrants will not really affect CX much, CX still wants to protect its turf. Carfield |
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