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pochi Apr 9, 2024 10:21 pm


Originally Posted by TomYoung (Post 36148767)
The HK Standard is reporting today that Ronald Lam says they will add 10 new destinations bringing the total to 90 by year end. He is reported as saying that they had plans to add destinations in the mainland and Belt and Road countries. Could include all countries in Asia, the Middle East, Africa and the west coast of South America. As a resumption? Pakistan? Or Turkey?

West Coast of South America = 5th freedom needed, or else a tech stop (if Mexico count as middle America)
For the mainland, they are hiring people for UO to resume sanya.
Middle East: Riyadh is on the list, but I am not sure if it will be affected by the "fake prince" issue. If Riyadh resumes, would it be Bahrain-Riyadh flight just like before?

sbs2716g Apr 9, 2024 10:33 pm


Originally Posted by TomYoung (Post 36148767)
The HK Standard is reporting today that Ronald Lam says they will add 10 new destinations bringing the total to 90 by year end. He is reported as saying that they had plans to add destinations in the mainland and Belt and Road countries. Could include all countries in Asia, the Middle East, Africa and the west coast of South America. As a resumption? Pakistan? Or Turkey?

wonder he is saying about CX alone or the whole CX group.

allianceflyer9506 Apr 9, 2024 10:41 pm

reasoning and possble restart of HKG-DVO
 

Originally Posted by moondog (Post 36148317)
I haven't examined the flight timings in detail, but how do those connecting itineraries beat the nonstop?

It has to do with the CX and SQ services surpassing PR127 JFK-MNL services and amenities.
To go back to route resumptions topic should CX restore KA HKG-DVO or not? KA DVO start date was November 23 2018 and got cut in 2020. If CX decided to restart HKG-DVO start using the later batch of B-HSx A320neos since DVO was served by the earlier B-HSx A320-232s. If successful after the restart then HKG-DVO should get the B-HPx fleet which itself succeeds the 2019 version B-HTx A321-231s.

moondog Apr 9, 2024 10:49 pm


Originally Posted by allianceflyer9506 (Post 36148825)
It has to do with the CX and SQ services surpassing PR127 JFK-MNL services and amenities

While I'm certainly not a fan of PR, and HKG/SIN aren't bad airports, being able to get off of the plane at the destination is a much stronger draw than services or amenities for normal people. Furthermore, why would CX want compromise yields in order to kowtow to the Phils market beyond HK?

US HK UK flyer Apr 9, 2024 11:36 pm


Originally Posted by sbs2716g (Post 36148816)
wonder he is saying about CX alone or the whole CX group.

The mainland ones might be U0 but they tend not to fly out of the region so the longer haul would be CX probably.

Note the actual article doesn't include any hints beyond "mainland and Belt and Road countries," which is like 2/3 of the world:
https://www.thestandard.com.hk/secti...w-destinations

I would be really shocked if they managed to launch ten more destinations before the end of the year given the trouble relaunching Barcelona...maybe based on their training timeline for new recruits?

MPC Apr 10, 2024 12:05 am


Originally Posted by US HK UK flyer (Post 36148885)
The mainland ones might be U0 but they tend not to fly out of the region so the longer haul would be CX probably.

Note the actual article doesn't include any hints beyond "mainland and Belt and Road countries," which is like 2/3 of the world:
https://www.thestandard.com.hk/secti...w-destinations

I would be really shocked if they managed to launch ten more destinations before the end of the year given the trouble relaunching Barcelona...maybe based on their training timeline for new recruits?

HK express CEO has said to media that the destinations will be increased from current 24 to 30

moondog Apr 10, 2024 12:20 am


Originally Posted by US HK UK flyer (Post 36148885)
Note the actual article doesn't include any hints beyond "mainland and Belt and Road countries," which is like 2/3 of the world:

Don't you think that the recent buildup by Mainland carriers in Europe and the Middle East provides some pretty good hints as to what "Belt and Road" destinations are the most likely? Even if the framework itself is based mostly on geopolitics, some of these markets may well become financially justifiable if China continues to throw large sums of money at them.

Reply1984 Apr 10, 2024 12:24 am


Originally Posted by pochi (Post 36148800)
Middle East: Riyadh is on the list, but I am not sure if it will be affected by the "fake prince" issue. If Riyadh resumes, would it be Bahrain-Riyadh flight just like before?

UAE is not Saudi Arabia. They are two different countries.

pochi Apr 10, 2024 2:00 am


Originally Posted by Reply1984 (Post 36148947)
UAE is not Saudi Arabia. They are two different countries.

Thanks for the comment.
I didn't mention it right. Ages ago CX got a route to Riyadh via Bahrain, if CX launch Riyadh, will they go via Bahrain(Middle East), so that will be a new destination - Bahrain.

moondog Apr 10, 2024 2:15 am


Originally Posted by pochi (Post 36149057)
Thanks for the comment.
I didn't mention it right. Ages ago CX got a route to Riyadh via Bahrain, if CX launch Riyadh, will they go via Bahrain(Middle East), so that will be a new destination - Bahrain.

What is the "fake prince issue"?

PaulC852 Apr 10, 2024 3:15 am


Originally Posted by moondog (Post 36149071)
What is the "fake prince issue"?

Various HK Government people have been made to look rather foolish by a conman claiming to be closely related to the Dubai rulers. This is the latest episode:
https://www.dimsumdaily.hk/controver...offline-today/

MPC Apr 10, 2024 6:15 am


Originally Posted by US HK UK flyer (Post 36148885)
The mainland ones might be U0 but they tend not to fly out of the region so the longer haul would be CX probably.

Note the actual article doesn't include any hints beyond "mainland and Belt and Road countries," which is like 2/3 of the world:
https://www.thestandard.com.hk/secti...w-destinations

I would be really shocked if they managed to launch ten more destinations before the end of the year given the trouble relaunching Barcelona...maybe based on their training timeline for new recruits?


let’s make a guess of the 10 destinations. below is mine. You guys are most welcome to amend the list to reflect yours

CX - Hyderabad , Riyadh (known), Adelaide, Birmingham , Cape Town

UO- Sanya, Kunming, Changsha, siem reap, Kota Kinabalu,

many are indeed relaunch

Reply1984 Apr 10, 2024 8:19 am


Originally Posted by MPC (Post 36149417)
let’s make a guess of the 10 destinations. below is mine. You guys are most welcome to amend the list to reflect yours

CX - Hyderabad , Riyadh (known), Adelaide, Birmingham , Cape Town

UO- Sanya, Kunming, Changsha, siem reap, Kota Kinabalu,

many are indeed relaunch

Previously UO CEO said they would expand to 30 destinations from 24 within this year. Then that will leave CX 4 new destinations.

My guess:

UO: Sanya, Hiroshima, Kuala Lumpur, Siem Reap, Clark, Kunming
CX: London Gatwick, Hyderabad, Riyadh (known), Cape Town

MPC Apr 10, 2024 8:38 am


Originally Posted by Reply1984 (Post 36149742)
Previously UO CEO said they would expand to 30 destinations from 24 within this year. Then that will leave CX 4 new destinations.

My guess:

UO: Sanya, Hiroshima, Kuala Lumpur, Siem Reap, Clark, Kunming
CX: London Gatwick, Hyderabad, Riyadh (known), Cape Town


KL is currently served by CX, so it cannot be counted as a “new destination “ of the CX group 😄

Hence I bet KK of Malaysia - Mainland Chinese can visit KK visa free

allianceflyer9506 Apr 10, 2024 8:38 am


Originally Posted by moondog (Post 36148838)
While I'm certainly not a fan of PR, and HKG/SIN aren't bad airports, being able to get off of the plane at the destination is a much stronger draw than services or amenities for normal people. Furthermore, why would CX want compromise yields in order to kowtow to the Phils market beyond HK?

you have a point there but how about their Filipino crews going back home from HKG. Which explains to why they ended up starting CRK/DVO back in 2017-2018 time frame. Rather then them flying with rival PR on Hong Kong to the Philippines Market (local spelling 香港 菲律賓). Also useful for OFWS from CRK/DVO to avoid MNL


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