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Originally Posted by NZflyer777
(Post 36136460)
no but they are all examples of where CX has lost customers to rivals providing better service
Businesses may have made poor decisions but in my opinion (at the risk of you saying it's not an objective view), is CX not already doing their best to recover? Yes, they made poor decisions to lay off pilots and crew but are they not actively recruiting again? What is the point to compare to SQ or QR or EK on route resumptions as they all operate in very different environment, with different background, culture, labour laws, demographic, geography, etc etc.? CX is not like SQ, QR or EK where it has Temasek or a oil-rich government to back it. If you dislike CX so much then just don't take it. If transiting in SG is what you like then go ahead. It's a free market, people will choose what they like. Of all the flights I've taken with CX in the past year, they are all at least 90% full (some might even be overbooked). Why else do you think they can charge such a high price (especially the North American routes where pricing has sky rocketed!) and still able to fill the aircraft? The point is, it takes time to rebuild the company again and at a time when there's a shortage of aircraft supply, it's not like CX can miraculously have new aircraft sent to them the day after they make an order. There's also a shortage of MRO slots and parts generally. Followed by the non-stop bad news against Boeing, I am not at all surprised that CX is taking its time to evaluate which mid-range aircraft they want to order. It is as simple as the lack of aircraft, pilots and crew that is preventing some of the routes to resume. |
Originally Posted by hkhighflyer
(Post 36136794)
I've been reading these posts but it sounds as though you just have a grudge against CX...
Businesses may have made poor decisions but in my opinion (at the risk of you saying it's not an objective view), is CX not already doing their best to recover? Yes, they made poor decisions to lay off pilots and crew but are they not actively recruiting again? What is the point to compare to SQ or QR or EK on route resumptions as they all operate in very different environment, with different background, culture, labour laws, demographic, geography, etc etc.? CX is not like SQ, QR or EK where it has Temasek or a oil-rich government to back it. If you dislike CX so much then just don't take it. If transiting in SG is what you like then go ahead. It's a free market, people will choose what they like. Of all the flights I've taken with CX in the past year, they are all at least 90% full (some might even be overbooked). Why else do you think they can charge such a high price (especially the North American routes where pricing has sky rocketed!) and still able to fill the aircraft? The point is, it takes time to rebuild the company again and at a time when there's a shortage of aircraft supply, it's not like CX can miraculously have new aircraft sent to them the day after they make an order. There's also a shortage of MRO slots and parts generally. Followed by the non-stop bad news against Boeing, I am not at all surprised that CX is taking its time to evaluate which mid-range aircraft they want to order. It is as simple as the lack of aircraft, pilots and crew that is preventing some of the routes to resume. |
Originally Posted by hkhighflyer
(Post 36136794)
I've been reading these posts but it sounds as though you just have a grudge against CX...
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dude youre basically a vibe ruiner at this point, no matter how salty you get isn't going to make other people hate CX, they are rising back up slowly, if you don't like CX then go to the SQ forums and keep praising instead of ranting
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Originally Posted by allianceflyer9506
(Post 36136804)
Spot on and I wonder will CX restart CX890/899 in order to compete with UA179/180 which is going to restart in 6-8 months from Today. That flight was 18:35 HKG arrival EWR 21:00
After the Russia issue goes away, I imagine both will start EWR-HKG at around the same time (more than "6-8 months from today"). |
UA doesn't see EWR-HKG coming back (imo) until the Russian Airspace closure ends. Them starting a second LAX-HKG flight, compared to having none before the pandemic, is proof enough of that for me.
I would put money on UA's ORD-HKG never coming back either, given it ended in October 2019 Cathay Pacific leadership was on record before the pandemic saying that they valued market frequency over number of destinations. ie flying 4x daily to JFK, 3x daily (iirc) to LAX and even 3x daily to SFO at one point, with 1x ORD being their only other longstanding route. (SEA, IAD, EWR were only tried briefly iirc) So I'd guess that will be their strategy in the near future. My greatest hope for the time being is to see SFO-HKG on a 77W, and partner First Class awards return! |
Originally Posted by NZflyer777
(Post 36135850)
you keep saying there is no market there.
let the record show that SQ now flies widebodies there . heck even look at Auckland. Pre covid CX used to fly 2 daily in summer, so did SQ. now SQ flies 4 daily and CX only 6 times a week. CX can't compete anymore. It is so obvious. https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/240401-sqns24 And as others have said, the HK market and Singapore markets are not the same. Cairns is a shorter ride from Singapore. |
Originally Posted by US HK UK flyer
(Post 36136920)
Funny, SQ just cut capacity on the Cairns route. Down from 5 to 4 flights a week and replacing A350s with 737-MAX, which is a halving of capacity on the reduced number of flights:
https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/240401-sqns24 And as others have said, the HK market and Singapore markets are not the same. Cairns is a shorter ride from Singapore. |
Originally Posted by US HK UK flyer
(Post 36136920)
Funny, SQ just cut capacity on the Cairns route. Down from 5 to 4 flights a week and replacing A350s with 737-MAX, which is a halving of capacity on the reduced number of flights:
https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/240401-sqns24 And as others have said, the HK market and Singapore markets are not the same. Cairns is a shorter ride from Singapore. |
Originally Posted by US HK UK flyer
(Post 36136920)
Funny, SQ just cut capacity on the Cairns route. Down from 5 to 4 flights a week and replacing A350s with 737-MAX, which is a halving of capacity on the reduced number of flights:
https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/240401-sqns24 And as others have said, the HK market and Singapore markets are not the same. Cairns is a shorter ride from Singapore. SQ was flying 5 weekly with a B737 and that is replaced by 4 weekly with A359. That is a huge increase in J capacity. |
Originally Posted by US HK UK flyer
(Post 36136920)
Funny, SQ just cut capacity on the Cairns route. Down from 5 to 4 flights a week and replacing A350s with 737-MAX, which is a halving of capacity on the reduced number of flights:
https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/240401-sqns24 And as others have said, the HK market and Singapore markets are not the same. Cairns is a shorter ride from Singapore. 737 max 8 with 154 paxes x 5 times a week against a350 with 303 paxes x 4 times a week now. cairns airport FB have help to do the maths already. https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...a39cee761f.png |
Originally Posted by drivingflyingwalking
(Post 36137013)
Oh wow the locals will hate that the 737 can not carry much if any cargo, Cairns wanted CX back with a wide body to get Seafood out of the region and into Asia.
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Originally Posted by US HK UK flyer
(Post 36136920)
Funny, SQ just cut capacity on the Cairns route. Down from 5 to 4 flights a week and replacing A350s with 737-MAX, which is a halving of capacity on the reduced number of flights:
https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/240401-sqns24 And as others have said, the HK market and Singapore markets are not the same. Cairns is a shorter ride from Singapore. the "CX is great and does no wrong " crew on here don't even read the facts. A350 is a larger aircraft than a 737 this is a fact! anyways no point discussing this when the people that think CX is not ceding market share and HKG is not the hub it used to be when they think a 737 is larger than an A350. It now makes all sense why they think CX is doing fine because in their world 4 < 2,HKG carrying 4 million passengers a month is larger than airports carrying 6 million a month and CX with its pathetic 1.7 million a month is larger than SQ's 3.2 mill a month. good luck finding enough planes in the CX fleet to launch new routes. |
Originally Posted by NZflyer777
(Post 36137558)
good luck finding enough planes in the CX fleet to launch new routes.
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I see from the same article that SQ is replacing B737s to CEB with A350s while I seem to recall an earlier poster saying that CX would be replacing A330s to CEB by A321s with increased frequency. Obviously Cathay aims to become an LCC while claiming to be premium.
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