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TomYoung Mar 24, 2024 7:48 pm

Now we are dreaming. Triangles can require many crew. Surly first most ports need to get back to daily. Having said that I would prefer PRG to BUD, and it could be tagged or triangled with other candidates such as MUC, LIS, ROM or ATH. Dream on.

NZflyer777 Mar 25, 2024 12:45 am

The fact that Riyadh is ahead of
EWR
DFW
SEA
Restoring pre covid capacity to Shanghai and mainland China!
Growing India which every other airline is massively expanding in SQ/QR/MH

CX has really fallen.
And with no widebody delivery slots for 6 years and the 777x just replacing the 777 ER.

HK really needs another airline group to enter as CX seems to be hell bent on becoming a boutique airline like Virgin Atlantic.

moondog Mar 25, 2024 1:49 am


Originally Posted by NZflyer777 (Post 36107442)
The fact that Riyadh is ahead of
EWR
DFW
SEA
Restoring pre covid capacity to Shanghai and mainland China!
Growing India which every other airline is massively expanding in SQ/QR/MH

CX has really fallen.
And with no widebody delivery slots for 6 years and the 777x just replacing the 777 ER.

HK really needs another airline group to enter as CX seems to be hell bent on becoming a boutique airline like Virgin Atlantic.

You do realize that adding more Russia overflights (i.e. NYC and DFW) to the US might not be practically possible, or that even applying could get the DOT to rethink its grandfathering of the current flights, right?
You also know that SEA was a dog the last time you tried it.
You've noticed that it's almost always possible to fly between HK and SH for around $70, and even less competitive routes are sub $150.
Finally, while India routes are a little more fruitful than China routes, the stage lengths are longer, and they aren't really the bread and butter of your network.

But, based on all of these realities, you STILL think that's where your airline should focus its expansion efforts? Amazing:D

Isochronous Mar 25, 2024 2:28 am


Originally Posted by Carfield (Post 36105817)
Maybe CX can do a HKG-RUH-BUD flight, which will definitely be interesting. That will make the HK government happy. Even a twice weekly flight will be good.

But seriously they can make HKG-RUH working with Saudi's demand for workers from the Philippines. They can time the flight and make sure that they can get connecting passengers from Cebu and Manila. A twice or thrice weekly flight should be financially viable.

For Budapest, I can't imagine a standalone nonstop to BUD flight will work, but LOT's ICN-BUD flight seems to be doing okay. I noticed plenty of Mainland Chinese business people and tourists visiting the city of Budapest during my few turnaround there, so maybe a twice or thrice weekly flight will work. CX has a good connection network to second-tier Chinese cities. Or CX can tag a stop on on of the former European destinations like Dublin, Dusseldorf, Stockholm, or Copenhagen. They can also do a triangular flight like HKG-BUD-BRU/CPH/DUB/DUS/ARN-HKG so they can do five weekly flights. Another random idea is HKG-IST-BUD flight, and I am sure that they can get some fifth-freedom passengers on IST-BUD segments.

Carfield

HKG-BUD-LIS could make sense.

tth6133 Mar 25, 2024 5:33 am


Originally Posted by Carfield (Post 36105817)
But seriously they can make HKG-RUH working with Saudi's demand for workers from the Philippines. They can time the flight and make sure that they can get connecting passengers from Cebu and Manila. A twice or thrice weekly flight should be financially viable.

Moreover, I believe that there're a lot more mainland Chinese traveling to the Middle East these days, and vice versa. CX is well situated to get some of that traffic.

oldchinahand Mar 26, 2024 3:10 am


Originally Posted by Isochronous (Post 36107552)
HKG-BUD-LIS could make sense.

The route would make no sense at all. for a myriad of reasons. As other have mentioned triangular routes rarely work.


Originally Posted by Isochronous (Post 36107552)
HKG-BUD-LIS could make sense.

The route would make no sense at all. for a myriad of reasons. As other have mentioned triangular routes rarely work.

moondog Mar 26, 2024 6:19 am


Originally Posted by oldchinahand (Post 36110609)
The route would make no sense at all. for a myriad of reasons. As other have mentioned triangular routes rarely work.

Why not? What makes that a triangle route?

Reply1984 Apr 1, 2024 10:21 pm

I think CX may stay away from Seattle for a while.

I see that Philippine Airlines will launch MNL-SEA this October. Now four airlines will launch new routes between Southeast Asia and Seattle (DL, CI, JX and now PR). I think CX may patiently wait until at least one carrier exits this market.

NZflyer777 Apr 1, 2024 11:15 pm


Originally Posted by Reply1984 (Post 36128304)
I think CX may stay away from Seattle for a while.

I see that Philippine Airlines will launch MNL-SEA this October. Now four airlines will launch new routes between Southeast Asia and Seattle (DL, CI, JX and now PR). I think CX may patiently wait until at least one carrier exits this market.

lol
Clearly CX is not the preferred choice now and can't compete against the Taiwanese or now even more embarrassing, Phillipines airlines....

moondog Apr 1, 2024 11:30 pm


Originally Posted by NZflyer777 (Post 36128373)
lol
Clearly CX is not the preferred choice now and can't compete against the Taiwanese or now even more embarrassing, Phillipines airlines....

What is funny (or illogical) about CX staying away from that market while those other airlines beat themselves up over it?

oldchinahand Apr 2, 2024 12:34 am


Originally Posted by NZflyer777 (Post 36128373)
lol
Clearly CX is not the preferred choice now and can't compete against the Taiwanese or now even more embarrassing, Phillipines airlines....

More more utter nonsense......

fakecd Apr 2, 2024 2:40 am

when i was planning a trip to North West, i seem to recall Biz fare to SEA was 33pct richer than to YVR. I laughed CX off. They mind as well wave a flag across airport terminal to say they dont want you to choosr CX for SeA route. problem is according to fare rule grids SEA fall to USA segment that command stupidly higher fare even YVR is a step away.

moondog Apr 2, 2024 2:56 am


Originally Posted by fakecd (Post 36128637)
when i was planning a trip to North West, i seem to recall Biz fare to SEA was 33pct richer than to YVR.

I predict SEA will be a bloodbath by the end of Q3 for carriers that chose to compete.

derek2010 Apr 2, 2024 7:24 am

Cathay needs to resume HKG-DOH route, using aircraft with Aria suite / A350-1000 / A350-900, to compete wuth Qatar, which uses former CX B777-300ER to operate

majorpuppy Apr 2, 2024 8:04 am

SEA and BNE are recent good examples that most airlines only follow the competition. glad cathay is smart enough not to do this


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