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jonessher May 22, 2025 9:10 am


Originally Posted by majorpuppy (Post 37101030)
i think the usage of A350 is because there would be some spare frames as FCO, BCN etc. are only seasonal and therefore some would be left over

not to mention to compete better against SQ and nearby CZ, or maybe a chance to sell premium economy as both competitors don't have it in ADL.

though if CX adds more destinations again I think this route can easily turn into a A330

Sure and there is not many flights to add during the winter. Maybe wait until summer 26 before expect more changes in the usage of A350s. I will only expect additions of regional ski destinations in Japan by CX and another AKL flight in winter 25.

lixiaojuventus May 22, 2025 9:55 am


Originally Posted by SLGO (Post 37100541)
Given the fleet constraints, I wonder why CX insists on sending 350 to Australia except for CNS. There are a few 330 frames with long haul configuration that can be used for Australian routes. These Aussie routes had been served by the 330 anyway.

One possibility is that PE is very profitable. CX probably doesn't want to send aircraft without PE (such as A330-300) down there.

CXflyguy May 22, 2025 11:32 am

I’ve heard that there are no more SO’s on the 330 anymore, so for this flight they would need to pay for two FO’s on the 330. So by using the 350, the pilot crewing cost would be lower. Plus, depending on the seating configuration used on the 330, the 350 could offer a lower CASM (provided that it’s not offset from higher ownership costs) with a higher RASM potential with the Y+ offering. It’s definitely not THE factor for the choice of aircraft, but certainly an additional benefit of putting the 350 on the route.

Arbeysix May 23, 2025 11:26 pm


Originally Posted by majorpuppy (Post 37096495)
I think QR already has added it as permanent fleet. if they do retrofit it, there would be shortage in capacity and it seems like QR really needs as much capacity as possible.

right now the whole world is short on planes, and QR is adding frequencies to anywhere when given the chance, so it needs more and more aircraft, unlikely to go back to CX unfournately.

that's why I think CX should maybe take delivery of the A339's sooner, as the queue for it is still not very long, otherwise before 2028 there would be little to no chance for expansion anymore.

Unfortunately, Airbus’ production rate for the 339 is very low. In April, they produced 2 frames and have stated that their “target” is 4 per month. I believe no plans have been announced to increase capacity and understand the order backlog is now over 220 frames.

sbs2716g May 24, 2025 9:27 am

Pls ignore

sbs2716g May 24, 2025 9:30 am


Originally Posted by Reply1984 (Post 37100542)
This is misunderstanding of the financial situations of these two companies. For the fiscal year of 2024, for SQ, there was an one-off gain on disposal of Vistara at ~1.1 billion SGD. Any reasonable comparison should be based on the operating profit level.

On the operating profit level, for the fiscal year of 2024, SQ made ~1.7 billion SGD/~1.3 billion USD, while CX made 13.9 billion HKD/~1.78 billion USD.


how do u get 13.9 billion HKD profit for CX?

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...fe9afc47b.jpeg


Sn4ke May 24, 2025 3:58 pm


Originally Posted by sbs2716g (Post 37105168)
how do u get 13.9 billion HKD profit for CX?

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...fe9afc47b.jpeg

Operating profit was HK$13.9b, you've highlighted profit after tax

NZflyer777 May 25, 2025 2:54 am

Does not matter even if all the worlds finance experts public stock exchange info etc and analysts state the obvious. Poster on here will only scream that CX is number 1....
but SQ etc are far more profitable enterprises and thus have significantly greater market value.
This idea that the CX current strategy is maximising profit is incorrect.

you lose a lot of regular business customers ( higher yielding) when your competitor has daily year round flights , you will only get low yielding seasonal traveller's with seasonal flights...



sbs2716g May 25, 2025 4:35 am


Originally Posted by Sn4ke (Post 37105730)
Operating profit was HK$13.9b, you've highlighted profit after tax

not sure how you get this figure.
I see only $10.2 billion before tax.

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...06b33823ce.png

Sn4ke May 25, 2025 10:15 am


Originally Posted by sbs2716g (Post 37106442)
not sure how you get this figure.
I see only $10.2 billion before tax.

Operating profit:
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...0bb27b62ea.png
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/o...ing_profit.asp - this may be informative

djsflynn May 31, 2025 1:45 am

Cairns is back for a second seasonal service, “centred around the peak Lunar New Year period and Christmas holidays” with three flights per week from December 9 to February 28.

derek2010 May 31, 2025 10:07 am


Originally Posted by CXj3j24 (Post 37098151)
Flew on ex CX 77W on the DOH route once last year. It’s not bad, just underwhelming. But QR dining still above CX J level. Pretty agree that no commercial motivation for CX to restart the route.

On fleet, it would be really nice if CX can bring fwd the 339 deliveries. It is such a versatile aircraft in terms of range and load, which can free up some 350 capacity for more long haul expansion. Otherwise, we are just wishing for CX flying carpet to more destinations.

Are the CX A339 can also operate mid-haul routes, like Middle East, Australia ?

majorpuppy Jun 1, 2025 4:04 am


Originally Posted by derek2010 (Post 37118846)
Are the CX A339 can also operate mid-haul routes, like Middle East, Australia ?

with good hard product, the A339 could certainly replace some A350's. pre covid CX flew A333's very often to key Australia/ middle east places.

off topic, but CX in April had a 86% load factor which is 4.5% increase compared to april 2024. even UO load factor has rose. nice to see CX do so well.

MeltingAlf Jun 1, 2025 4:15 am


Originally Posted by majorpuppy (Post 37120124)
with good hard product, the A339 could certainly replace some A350's. pre covid CX flew A333's very often to key Australia/ middle east places.

Don't give them any ideas - at that rate CX is going to give us a 2-2-2 "flat-bed" product in regional and fly to Australia with that

I don't have faith to think otherwise considering the regional biz seats fly HKG-SIN/TYO/PEK and CX choosing to run 10 abreast economy on 777s

jonessher Jun 1, 2025 10:26 am


Originally Posted by MeltingAlf (Post 37120142)
Don't give them any ideas - at that rate CX is going to give us a 2-2-2 "flat-bed" product in regional and fly to Australia with that

I don't have faith to think otherwise considering the regional biz seats fly HKG-SIN/TYO/PEK and CX choosing to run 10 abreast economy on 777s

Isn't 10 abreast 777 standard? And Aus is a bit far, so the product should be a bit different. With the current 70 per week limit for CX, A333s could lead to undercapacity.


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