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pochi Apr 27, 2025 9:47 pm


Originally Posted by US HK UK flyer (Post 37051826)
- Swire owns more in Miami than the East hotel actually
- CX is going to DFW without the codeshare on its own flights; it's still beneficial to link up with AA
- A350-800 range is over 8000nm so it could make it
- I don't believe they did YVR-MIA before, but did YVR-JFK?

- I didn't notice that. There must be a strong demand inside Swire to head to MIA.
- For CX DFW, AA did not sell it on their website. I did a little search, and AA always direct me to transit in NRT. I doubt if it might affect.
- There is no A350-800. For 900, that's only 8100nm. If I add HKG-JFK and JFK-MIA, that would be 14744km = ~7961nm. There is no buffer for diversion.


Originally Posted by ernestnywang (Post 37052021)
Pretty sure pochi means CX can do HKG-YVR-MIA in the same fashion that it did HKG-YVR-JFK in the past, which demonstrates CX can run 5th-freedom flights between Canada and the US.

- Just like @ernestnywang said, CX did serve HKG-YVR-JFK before; CX can serve MIA in the same fashion. IIRC, before direct flights, CX served HKG-ANC-YYZ and HKG-YVR-JFK.

percysmith Apr 27, 2025 9:53 pm


Originally Posted by Isochronous (Post 37052947)
BUD should be high on the agenda.

And I want four additional flights into WSI and four additional flights into HND. Commercial viability of any of this?

Reply1984 Apr 28, 2025 12:22 am


Originally Posted by pochi (Post 37052966)
- I didn't notice that. There must be a strong demand inside Swire to head to MIA.
- For CX DFW, AA did not sell it on their website. I did a little search, and AA always direct me to transit in NRT. I doubt if it might affect.
- There is no A350-800. For 900, that's only 8100nm. If I add HKG-JFK and JFK-MIA, that would be 14744km = ~7961nm. There is no buffer for diversion.


- Just like @ernestnywang said, CX did serve HKG-YVR-JFK before; CX can serve MIA in the same fashion. IIRC, before direct flights, CX served HKG-ANC-YYZ and HKG-YVR-JFK.

I would be very surprised if CX launched HKG-YVR-MIA after axing HKG-YVR-JFK.

Currently CX is trying to direct passengers to MIA through DFW. Let’s see if this strategy will work.

pochi Apr 28, 2025 12:34 am


Originally Posted by Reply1984 (Post 37053106)
I would be very surprised if CX launched HKG-YVR-MIA after axing HKG-YVR-JFK.

Currently CX is trying to direct passengers to MIA through DFW. Let’s see if this strategy will work.

My guess is direct flight affects CX888. But as I mentioned, if CX intend to do MIA on their own, that's the only way; current aircraft owned by CX cannot fly that long.

ernestnywang Apr 28, 2025 12:52 am


Originally Posted by pochi (Post 37052966)
- Just like @ernestnywang said, CX did serve HKG-YVR-JFK before; CX can serve MIA in the same fashion. IIRC, before direct flights, CX served HKG-ANC-YYZ and HKG-YVR-JFK.

I think ANC was only a technical stop, and CX did not sell ANC-YYZ or vice versa tickets?

GE90-115B Apr 28, 2025 12:56 am


Originally Posted by ernestnywang (Post 37053150)
I think ANC was only a technical stop, and CX did not sell ANC-YYZ or vice versa tickets?

Spot on!

CX860 Apr 28, 2025 3:51 am


Originally Posted by Reply1984 (Post 37053106)
Currently CX is trying to direct passengers to MIA through DFW. Let’s see if this strategy will work.

That makes a double connection (with one being domestic AA) to go via MIA to Latin America which definitely makes it less attractive. Yes you can go through LAX or DFW for the bigger ports but they don't have the Carribbean/Latin American reach of MIA.

NZflyer777 Apr 28, 2025 3:55 am


Originally Posted by CX860 (Post 37053330)
That makes a double connection (with one being domestic AA) to go via MIA to Latin America which definitely makes it less attractive. Yes you can go through LAX or DFW for the bigger ports but they don't have the Carribbean/Latin American reach of MIA.

depends where as well.
CX could also launch Auckland - Sao Paulo and partner with Air NZ.


ernestnywang Apr 28, 2025 4:03 am


Originally Posted by NZflyer777 (Post 37053337)
depends where as well.
CX could also launch Auckland - Sao Paulo and partner with Air NZ.

GRU was covered before the DFW launch. DFW may just add an option. CX code-shares with AA and LA for JFK/LHR/JNB-GRU. Via AKL, CX also puts its code on LA's AKL-SCL flight. None of that covers the second-tier cities served by MIA, though I am not sure if CX is interested in such business.

US HK UK flyer Apr 28, 2025 5:30 am


Originally Posted by pochi (Post 37052966)
- For CX DFW, AA did not sell it on their website. I did a little search, and AA always direct me to transit in NRT. I doubt if it might affect.
- There is no A350-800. For 900, that's only 8100nm. If I add HKG-JFK and JFK-MIA, that would be 14744km = ~7961nm. There is no buffer for diversion.

On the codeshare, it still works the other way around, so you can take AA flights branded CX to or from DFW.

On the A350, my bad! Forgot the 800 was never made. Would MIA be reachable with one of the new orders?

Reply1984 Apr 28, 2025 7:20 am


Originally Posted by CX860 (Post 37053330)
That makes a double connection (with one being domestic AA) to go via MIA to Latin America which definitely makes it less attractive. Yes you can go through LAX or DFW for the bigger ports but they don't have the Carribbean/Latin American reach of MIA.

Then that is the issue of demand between HK and Latin America. I simply do not see where that kind of demand could come from.

US HK UK flyer Apr 28, 2025 7:52 am


Originally Posted by Reply1984 (Post 37053616)
Then that is the issue of demand between HK and Latin America. I simply do not see where that kind of demand could come from.

Chinese demand as the economy grows closer to LatAm. Eventually this will encompass HK interests as well. The pull away from the US with the tariffs is just accelerating this.

Reply1984 Apr 28, 2025 8:19 am


Originally Posted by US HK UK flyer (Post 37053686)
Chinese demand as the economy grows closer to LatAm. Eventually this will encompass HK interests as well. The pull away from the US with the tariffs is just accelerating this.

If the demand is mostly from Chinese, then it’s Beijing or Shanghai’s play. This is a matter of geography.

US HK UK flyer Apr 28, 2025 8:25 am


Originally Posted by Reply1984 (Post 37053739)
If the demand is mostly from Chinese, then it’s Beijing or Shanghai’s play. This is a matter of geography.

Yes and no. Many Latin Americans will have easier visa access to HK (or it will be a preferred place of business for English or freedom of information reasons etc.), there are places especially in southern China that would be equally convenient connections to HK, and the range advantage of Beijing or Shanghai is not much greater.

CX860 Apr 28, 2025 2:04 pm


Originally Posted by Reply1984 (Post 37053616)
Then that is the issue of demand between HK and Latin America. I simply do not see where that kind of demand could come from.

Trade and people going on vacation?


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