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Originally Posted by VE105
(Post 37663776)
There are 8 flights to LHR scheduled today thanks to 2 77Ws decided to have technical issues together last night.
CX237 CX257 CX255D CX2251 CX251D CX253 CX251 CX255 |
Originally Posted by TravellingChris
(Post 37663642)
If and when the situation stabilizes in the Mideast, there will certainly be plenty of people who won't want to fly with a ME3 carrier. There will likely be plenty more who will fly them for the right price, and if EK/QR/EY discount fares significantly in an effort to win back lost business they will have no shortage of customers.
I am not sure to what extent CX would ever be able to pose a challenge to the ME3 given the geography. Much of the ME3's business is connections between Europe and the Subcontinent, for example. HKIA is in the wrong location to compete for those customers. |
Originally Posted by TravellingChris
(Post 37663642)
If and when the situation stabilizes in the Mideast, there will certainly be plenty of people who won't want to fly with a ME3 carrier. There will likely be plenty more who will fly them for the right price, and if EK/QR/EY discount fares significantly in an effort to win back lost business they will have no shortage of customers.
I am not sure to what extent CX would ever be able to pose a challenge to the ME3 given the geography. Much of the ME3's business is connections between Europe and the Subcontinent, for example. HKIA is in the wrong location to compete for those customers. The advantages CX and other airlines reap from this situation vary greatly. The volume/traffic shift is somewhat of a domino effect. For example: if passengers from India to North America shift from ME3 to CX, then what happens to the displaced travellers from Mainland China/Hong Kong/South East Asia. Whilst the volume in ME3's business is between Europe/Subcon, the high yield business is between Europe and Australia. HKIA is in a very good location for these customers! And then there's the million dollar question: I am willing to pay an extra $ for comfort, $ for direct flights and an extra $ for my safety. Many travel insurance providers will not cover anything going via the Middle East either, ME3's recovery may be quick but airlines, including CX, will realise that people are willing to pay a safety premium. |
Originally Posted by wadia13
(Post 37664149)
Yes, but I thought the argument is if Emirates & Qatar cancel any of their 777x orders, they may be released to other airlines such as CX and hence CX and other airlines stand to benefit from getting more 777x and sooner.
i am very bullish CX (more so than SQ given its china affiliation and freedom of navigation) to be able to penetrate into the void or ME3 hub and spark model My point was that Hong Kong's geographic location means that's never going to happen. No one traveling from Europe to India (or Africa, Sri Lanka, Pakistan, Bangladesh) is going to fly to Hong Kong to catch a connecting flight. Dubai, Doha and Abu Dhabi are in the right location for those connections but Hong Kong certainly isn't. It's little different than someone wanting to fly from Seattle to San Diego in the U.S.: are they going to fly to Newark or Atlanta to connect? Of course not. The latter two cities' geographic position mean that they are not viably competing for such transfer business. Hong Kong is in an excellent position to offer connections between North America and Southeast Asia or North America and Mainland China. Interestingly, these are the same region pairs where geography makes the ME3 uncompetitive. (You wouldn't fly from San Francisco to Dubai in order to get to Bangkok.) But the overall principle is that the ME3 are in a good geographic position to serve as superconnectors, whereas a Hong Kong-based airline like CX is not--even if there ARE some routes where Hong Kong makes sense as a transfer point. |
Originally Posted by TravellingChris
(Post 37664826)
Hong Kong is in an excellent position to offer connections between North America and Southeast Asia or North America and Mainland China. Interestingly, these are the same region pairs where geography makes the ME3 uncompetitive. (You wouldn't fly from San Francisco to Dubai in order to get to Bangkok.) But the overall principle is that the ME3 are in a good geographic position to serve as superconnectors, whereas a Hong Kong-based airline like CX is not--even if there ARE some routes where Hong Kong makes sense as a transfer point.
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I wonder if CX will eventually fly from WSI? SQ is about to launch new route from WSI tomorrow.
https://www.executivetraveller.com/n...sydney-airport |
i wont comment further on ME3 vs CX competion landscape so not to digress.
all I feel is the potential airframes that would otherwise have gone to ME3 may be available for CX which opens up new route competitive advantage. detriment of ME3 is windfall X factor for those who were arguing against new routes due to lack of airframe |
Originally Posted by fakecd
(Post 37665884)
i wont comment further on ME3 vs CX competion landscape so not to digress.
all I feel is the potential airframes that would otherwise have gone to ME3 may be available for CX which opens up new route competitive advantage. detriment of ME3 is windfall X factor for those who were arguing against new routes due to lack of airframe Also I would think if ME3 cannot take those, RX will take them instead as they need a lot of air frames. |
Originally Posted by VE105
(Post 37663776)
There are 8 flights to LHR scheduled today thanks to 2 77Ws decided to have technical issues together last night.
CX237 CX257 CX255D CX2251 CX251D CX253 CX251 CX255 |
Originally Posted by Pazel
(Post 37666322)
Am i the only one who is getting a bit concern of how frequently Cathay is suffering from IROP and AOG for the last few weeks? I swear the rate is a bit concerning
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Originally Posted by starvelk
(Post 37667123)
At some point last year it was the A35Ks that had one breakdown per day... this year's the 77W's turn
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Originally Posted by kamchatsky
(Post 37665869)
I wonder if CX will eventually fly from WSI? SQ is about to launch new route from WSI tomorrow.
https://www.executivetraveller.com/n...sydney-airport SIN operates under open skies. |
Originally Posted by B-HQC
(Post 37667370)
Not a chance for HKG unless WSI is undesignated as a "primary gateway" - in short, flights between HKG and BNE/MEL/PER/SYD/WSI are limited by the Australian government and traffic rights on the HKG side are already at capacity. (Of course, rights on the AUS side are not close to being fully utilized - classic QF protectionist nonsense but I won't get into that...)
SIN operates under open skies. |
Originally Posted by kamchatsky
(Post 37665869)
I wonder if CX will eventually fly from WSI? SQ is about to launch new route from WSI tomorrow.
https://www.executivetraveller.com/n...sydney-airport |
Blogger airlinereporter.com has posted a summary of the SEA inaugural flight event on his blog:
https://www.airlinereporter.com/2026...ck-of-a-party/ Few airlines put in as much effort as Cathay to celebrate an inaugural flight like this one. |
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