Whats the reason behind almost non existent cooperation bw CX and AS

CX codeshares with AS on a few routes. Why do you think it is almost non-existent?

Not sure what you mean. I flew HKG-SEA-DFW before pre-COVID for example on CX stock. Connected perfectly to a red eye to DFW and landed at 5am. Now that AS is OW, you can earn just as you can on AA. Thats all I need. What cooperation are you expecting?

Did it ever happened in the past where CX took over and replaced a UO route?

This is certainly interesting for SEA, and it is likely CX is observing how the additional Asia flights are affecting the load and yield.

Loads for BR in March, 2025 are holding up in mid-80s. CI and JX are in the 70s (JX just increased SEA to daily in March). SQ in the 90s, and the new PR flight is in the 80s. This is when SEA is traditionally rather slow during the first three months of the year.

JX had a LF of 90s in December. It’s certainly benefiting from its partnership with AS.

Yields probably have gone down due to competition. Ticket prices have gone down quite a lot compared to 2 years ago.

No idea about cargo though…

A bit out of topic, but for HXs potential long haul network, I can only think of LGW and Man that have the emigration wave and tourist/ student traffic that works for HX. I am a bit puzzled why these routes were not said to have been considered as potential routes for HX. Any ideas or updates on HX's potential long haul routes, other than the current YVR, Sydney (to be launched in June) and the rumored MEL?

with declining US demand, and CX usually avoiding competition or shooing away competition at HKG, its still hard to believe SEA would launch, especially that frequencies are even more compared to last year, and CX is very short on planes.

id say more european/ middle east/ African or even other US destinations have a higher chance than SEA. HK is getting more international visitors and transit traffic so a lot of other routes can work.

as for HX, there are rumors they're not taking B787s anymore and reducing frequencies, and with their cheap prices yields are not the best, so its hard to think they're gonna expand more.

As i have suggested, I think after DFW go daily, MAD, BRU and MUC will go daily. That is all for now with the limited fleet of CX. Maybe seasonal AKL 2nd daily and Adelaide.

They can rely on Qatar for middle east and African flights.

You have to remember that HX is part of a bigger conglomerate - which is HNA. Hainan always gets first dibs, and HNA probably thinks it's easier and more profitable to run routes on Tianjin Airlines or Beijing Capital from the mainland than compete with CX.

I wonder whether internally HNA group is as hierarchical as say the LH group that HNA group make all decisiojs for HX behalf. I think HX is instead in a pretty bad position that it finances is independent, management is somewhat linked to the HNA group but can make decisions on their own, but a lack of support, including lack of internal orders to transfer planes to HX to support its development etc. made HX quite stuck as other airlines within the group are opposing the transfer of aircraft to HX to support its plan (no 787-9s arrived, no further A333s arrived). So it's kinda stuck.

I think NZ hasn't brought back EZE so thats another option but I am told the Argentine economy is not doing well (again).

Not a new route but this deep analysis of the traffic and performance of every Cathay route could be helpful in thinking about where they're doing well and not:

https://aviationa2z.com/index.php/20...usiest-routes/

(Some errors though, like why is a flight to Parma listed and neither Milan nor Rome?)

From what I know, HX's management is assigned by HNA, and HX has no stake in most of the decisions, including destination and fleet. HNA is the major decesion maker.

Finally I found this. CX are always keen on Miami non-stop. Starting from A350 delivery

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...miami-non-stop

I think not only was the B787's blocked, but current situation make the former north America plan with 787s no longer viable, so HNA is probably leaving HX behind. or perhaps CX/ UO is way too dominant in HKG, far more than pre-covid.

HX is cancelling/ reducing frequencies on some routes, proving regional routes have immense competition. i don't think things are looking too good for HX...