percysmith

HK Quarantine Support Group

brunos

You can see the 2022 history of flight suspensions here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...#gid=444158831

For those coming to HK, this FB group suggested by percysmith is very useful:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/2788738214495345/

IWontRegretThis

As a member of that FB group, highly recomended.

percysmith

Secretary of Health Lo Chung-Mau proposes modifying Leavehomesafe to require real names and introduce Mainland-style colour codes

https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/...pp-update-will

as condition precedent for home quarantine:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...h-health-codes


I think most of us here will do the tradeoff, but how many of the non-travelling Hong Kong public will also feel this way? Perhaps a rhetorical question, enabling travel isn't the goal, getting the numbers down is.

fakecd

so 3+4 quarantine measure should be imminient

Nicc HK

Note sure, listening to what they said in Cantonese followed by what the English language press reported suggests nuanced differences, though more likely its my Cantonese.

What seems to be the strategy is a strict Quid Pro Quo, on the one side relaxed quarantine rules for inbound passengers but in return China style monitoring environment.

Interestingly what happens to paid upfront quarantine hotel bookings for 7 days when one can leave after night 3 or I personally think more likely 4 nights? Self interest, I have a paid booking coming up. The hotels are not going to be happy at all, so perhaps the target date will be the end of the current quarantine cycle on 31/10/2022.

Any thoughts on this?

Nicc

Just been reading about current state of monitoring in Macau, scary.

maalloc

My understanding is that hotels will have no problem having guests as long as some form of Q is maintained.

But the state of Macau and the fact that 4+3 or simply 5+2 Q were mentioned in June while not making it to the first round of rules change don’t bode so well…

percysmith

Quid but no quo, given the regime’s track record. To start off with they said they weren’t going to require personal info when they started Leavehomesafe.

Cambo

There's a name for that: Feature Creep.

Western governments aren't hesitating to do so, despite "democratic" control and governance, let alone what happens at autocratic/authoritarian regimes.

percysmith

(I'm not actively keeping track of jurisdictions outside NSW, where it is no longer mandatory) which western governments still require app check-ins?

Nicc HK

Definitely no quo

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/worl...-b1011762.html

Looks like quarantine period reduction a pipe dream. Killing my work, so guess a one way ticket is in my future.

Cambo

It's not so much about the Covid apps (despite governments eying on the possibilities it gives to track illegals, etc), though, just in general. Give Western governments "tools" to track/monitor people, and they will gradually stretch the usage boundaries of the original permissions, with or without parliamentary approval.

The moment you have ATM cards, frequent "purchase", loyalty cards, cell phone locations, etc, in the end, these items are used by governments agencies to trace down people, where they are, etc. Of course, all to the benefit of the general public. But, hey, this argument is used all over the world, including autocratic/authoritarian regimes.

See how the original "harmless" registration of Jewish people in Europe gradually reverted to the core info used for the holocaust, during WWII. Nothing new under the sun.

percysmith

Quarantine exemptions in Nov

https://www.i-cable.com/新聞資訊/42701/盧...4799;需/

(condition: be a big swinging dick)

maalloc

An oldie but goodie...

How history tends to stutter... percysmith , you just made my day!

percysmith

Oh I’m nowhere near done

Desmond Gladesbrook must be coming https://vimeo.com/399028607#t=8m46s