Oct 2, 2015, 3:08 am
Last edit by: sxc
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What are the best value segments under the new system?
Switching out of Marco Polo: What do you choose and why?
FAQs as answered by AgencyGuy:
When will the mid-tier benefits be awarded?
They will be awarded as the member hits the mid-tier milestone. Not at the end of the membership year. These will be valid for a year commencing the day they are granted. No points are deduced when members are awarded these benefits.
Does that mean a member reaching 1800 tier points will get all three mid-tier benefits?
Yes, each benefit will be made available as the member hits the 1400, 1600 and 1800 point milestones
What mid-tier benefits will be awarded as of the conversion date of 15 April 2016?
The mid-tier benefits will kick in automatically after 15th April, if your converted club points balance exceeds the mid-tier thresholds. So for a Diamond tier member, if your converted balance is 1800 points you will immediately have access to two first class lounge guest passes, four bookable upgrades and one companion Gold card.
A Gold member on his/her way to Diamond pick up four short/medium upgrades along the way, but a renewing Diamond gets nothing?
You are correct, Silver, Gold or Diamond members on their way to renewal, don’t get additional benefits until they reach the mid-tier thresholds. But they will get there, I guess the benefits are designed to recognize members who go the extra mile after they have passed their renewal thresholds.
Is there any requirement on the underlying booking sub-classes when using a mid-tier upgrade "coupon"?
Yes, the original flight needs to be booked in an “upgradable” sub-class, the same sub-classes that qualify for Asia Miles upgrades
Is economy upgraded to Premium Economy or business for flights with Premium Economy?
It is always a one class upgrade so Economy to Premium Economy, if a flight does not have Premium Economy then the upgrade is to Business.
Are the sub-classes for the upgraded bookings A, I, and E (if applicable)?
I don’t know what these subclasses are yet other than that they will be revenue instead of redemption sub-classes. I guess they will be announced later.
What miles will be awarded for a flight upgraded using a upgrade coupon? The original ticket class, or the upgraded class?
I understand that both points and miles will be credited based on the upgraded class.
Green Re-Qualification
For Green members, if their membership year ends before 15 April 2016, like now, their membership will automatically be renewed. If their membership ends after 15 April and they have ANY club points at that time, they will be automatically renewed for another year (even if they are below 100 pts). If their membership ends after 15 April and they have no club points at that time, they will lose their Green membership or have the option of paying the US$100 fee to renew.
What are the best value segments under the new system?
Switching out of Marco Polo: What do you choose and why?
FAQs as answered by AgencyGuy:
When will the mid-tier benefits be awarded?
They will be awarded as the member hits the mid-tier milestone. Not at the end of the membership year. These will be valid for a year commencing the day they are granted. No points are deduced when members are awarded these benefits.
Does that mean a member reaching 1800 tier points will get all three mid-tier benefits?
Yes, each benefit will be made available as the member hits the 1400, 1600 and 1800 point milestones
What mid-tier benefits will be awarded as of the conversion date of 15 April 2016?
The mid-tier benefits will kick in automatically after 15th April, if your converted club points balance exceeds the mid-tier thresholds. So for a Diamond tier member, if your converted balance is 1800 points you will immediately have access to two first class lounge guest passes, four bookable upgrades and one companion Gold card.
A Gold member on his/her way to Diamond pick up four short/medium upgrades along the way, but a renewing Diamond gets nothing?
You are correct, Silver, Gold or Diamond members on their way to renewal, don’t get additional benefits until they reach the mid-tier thresholds. But they will get there, I guess the benefits are designed to recognize members who go the extra mile after they have passed their renewal thresholds.
Is there any requirement on the underlying booking sub-classes when using a mid-tier upgrade "coupon"?
Yes, the original flight needs to be booked in an “upgradable” sub-class, the same sub-classes that qualify for Asia Miles upgrades
Is economy upgraded to Premium Economy or business for flights with Premium Economy?
It is always a one class upgrade so Economy to Premium Economy, if a flight does not have Premium Economy then the upgrade is to Business.
Are the sub-classes for the upgraded bookings A, I, and E (if applicable)?
I don’t know what these subclasses are yet other than that they will be revenue instead of redemption sub-classes. I guess they will be announced later.
What miles will be awarded for a flight upgraded using a upgrade coupon? The original ticket class, or the upgraded class?
I understand that both points and miles will be credited based on the upgraded class.
Green Re-Qualification
For Green members, if their membership year ends before 15 April 2016, like now, their membership will automatically be renewed. If their membership ends after 15 April and they have ANY club points at that time, they will be automatically renewed for another year (even if they are below 100 pts). If their membership ends after 15 April and they have no club points at that time, they will lose their Green membership or have the option of paying the US$100 fee to renew.
Changes to MPC announced for 15 Apr 2016
Oct 10, 2015, 12:57 pm
#391
Suspended
Join Date: Sep 2015
Programs: AA & SPG Plat
Posts: 387
But where in intra Asia do you usually fly? I recall seeing you mention WNZ and TPE before. Yes, you will get your 4 u/g's, but for these kind of regional routes...isn't it kind of pointless?
Oct 11, 2015, 2:54 pm
#392
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: EWR
Programs: CX Green | UA Silver | Marriott Lifetime Platinum | Hyatt Globalist | Hilton Gold | AA EXP
Posts: 813
One could use it to DXB or maybe CNS (continuing with JQ or QF to final destination). Dunno about CNS but there's no Y+ to DXB anymore so it's Y->J w/ cirrus seats so should be somewhat decent.
Oct 12, 2015, 2:12 am
#393
Join Date: Jan 2006
Programs: AAdvantage Asia Miles Air China
Posts: 871
Increased Mileage Requirements for DM and GO PEY/Y Members
I have looked at this from my own flying of which the majority is long haul to UK/US and the mileage involved. It means a substantial increase in flying to re-attain status but there are losers and those who lose less relatively.
Naturally I doubt there is anyone who exclusively flies HKG to LON/NYC but this for me at least is a useful benchmark. I am a DM but if I stay in the MPC (which now looks unlikely) then I need to look at how the Gold members fare.
In the Bands
7,500 miles+ Toronto, New York, Boston, Chicago
5,000-7,499 Auckland, UK, Europe, US & Canada West Coast
This changes the mileage needed to attain Diamond & Gold.
Note that the Economy Bands go 1,2 and 4. There is no Band 3, offering CX the opportunity to further ‘enhance’ their offering.
Currently required mileage for DM is 120,000.
Assumptions are only the one route is flown.
1. New York is 8,100 miles
2. London is 6,000 miles.
3. Therefore the band base is not used because these are real and most popular cities.
4. Calculation is (Tier Points Required to Hit Status/Tier Points Per Flight) X Distance
Sorry unable to paginate it copies clean but posts as is.
In perspective at the moment doing only HK/NYC with a V Class fare then this requires 15 sectors, i.e. in the future will earn Econ 2 brings you Gold after 15/4/2016.
For London HK/LON for Gold with a V Class fare then this currently requires 10 sectors, i.e. looks like a drop to Silver from 16/4/2016.
I briefly reviewed mileage required on CX partners and take for example AA, and for PEY/Y the DM member is even worse off unless flying the absolute cheapest fare as for instance all fare buckets from S to Y are 40 points for example in the Ultra Long Haul Band.
Please understand this is just a working analysis and a benchmark to assess impacts.
For me it means while 'the grass is not greener on the other side of the hill', my side of the hill has been blow torched.
Naturally I doubt there is anyone who exclusively flies HKG to LON/NYC but this for me at least is a useful benchmark. I am a DM but if I stay in the MPC (which now looks unlikely) then I need to look at how the Gold members fare.
In the Bands
7,500 miles+ Toronto, New York, Boston, Chicago
5,000-7,499 Auckland, UK, Europe, US & Canada West Coast
This changes the mileage needed to attain Diamond & Gold.
Note that the Economy Bands go 1,2 and 4. There is no Band 3, offering CX the opportunity to further ‘enhance’ their offering.
Currently required mileage for DM is 120,000.
Assumptions are only the one route is flown.
1. New York is 8,100 miles
2. London is 6,000 miles.
3. Therefore the band base is not used because these are real and most popular cities.
4. Calculation is (Tier Points Required to Hit Status/Tier Points Per Flight) X Distance
Code:
DM Flying to NYC/Ultra Long Band Flying to LON/Long Band Class Mileage No of Flights Mileage No of Flights PEY 1 162,000 20 130,909 22 PEY 2 194,400 24 160,000 27 Econ 1 194,400 24 160,000 27 Econ 2 243,000 30 205,714 34 Econ 4 972,000 120 720,000 120 GO Flying to NYC/Ultra Long Band Flying to LON/Long Band Class Mileage No of Flights Mileage No of Flights PEY 1 81,000 10 65,455 11 PEY 2 97,200 12 80,000 13 Econ 1 97,200 12 80,000 13 Econ 2 121,500 15 102,857 17 Econ 4 486,000 60 360,000 60
In perspective at the moment doing only HK/NYC with a V Class fare then this requires 15 sectors, i.e. in the future will earn Econ 2 brings you Gold after 15/4/2016.
For London HK/LON for Gold with a V Class fare then this currently requires 10 sectors, i.e. looks like a drop to Silver from 16/4/2016.
I briefly reviewed mileage required on CX partners and take for example AA, and for PEY/Y the DM member is even worse off unless flying the absolute cheapest fare as for instance all fare buckets from S to Y are 40 points for example in the Ultra Long Haul Band.
Please understand this is just a working analysis and a benchmark to assess impacts.
For me it means while 'the grass is not greener on the other side of the hill', my side of the hill has been blow torched.
Last edited by sxc; Oct 12, 2015 at 3:30 am Reason: make clearer
Oct 12, 2015, 10:02 am
#395
Join Date: Nov 2006
Programs: MPC,CA,MU,AF
Posts: 8,171
Do you mean that wing logo？We used to call that shark-fin。
Not sure if they are changing the card design too, but the card I just received is not like the one in the photo. It is like the one a year ago with a new expiration date.
Not sure if they are changing the card design too, but the card I just received is not like the one in the photo. It is like the one a year ago with a new expiration date.
Oct 12, 2015, 10:20 am
#396
Join Date: May 2013
Location: west coast best coast
Programs: TINDER GOLD, STARBUCKS GOLD, COSTCO EXECUTIVE!!
Posts: 3,989
Seems to fit in with the whole new brand aesthetic.
Oct 12, 2015, 11:08 am
#397
Join Date: Oct 2014
Posts: 174
Anyone here can share what will happened to the current club miles when CX change to new system? Club points will reset to 0 but retain current status?
For example, one being DM and expire on October 2016, will they converted to club points in the new system or club points will be zeroed but remain as DM with same expiry date on October 2016?
For example, one being DM and expire on October 2016, will they converted to club points in the new system or club points will be zeroed but remain as DM with same expiry date on October 2016?
Oct 12, 2015, 1:23 pm
#398
Join Date: Nov 2006
Programs: MPC,CA,MU,AF
Posts: 8,171
Anyone here can share what will happened to the current club miles when CX change to new system? Club points will reset to 0 but retain current status?
For example, one being DM and expire on October 2016, will they converted to club points in the new system or club points will be zeroed but remain as DM with same expiry date on October 2016?
For example, one being DM and expire on October 2016, will they converted to club points in the new system or club points will be zeroed but remain as DM with same expiry date on October 2016?
You can alternately search for "conversion" or "convert".
Oct 13, 2015, 12:09 am
#399
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Join Date: Dec 2004
Programs: CX Green, QF Platinum, BAEC Silver, Hyatt Glob
Posts: 10,780
Although there are also pictures of bag tags with the new branding which I doubt will ever be used as they look like permanent bag tags but with class of travel on them. Doubt they would use these tags for one-time use.
Oct 13, 2015, 8:27 am
#400
Join Date: Oct 2014
Posts: 174
It was discussed earlier in this thread in a few posts starting: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/catha...l#post25496921
You can alternately search for "conversion" or "convert".
You can alternately search for "conversion" or "convert".
Oct 13, 2015, 9:28 am
#401
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 1,963
There is no reset. Your Club Miles and Club Sectors will be converted to Club Points, and I assume that your membership year would still remain unchanged, giving you however long to reach the next tier.
Oct 13, 2015, 9:46 am
#402
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Hong Kong
Programs: CX, UA, Shangri-La, Hyatt, Starwood
Posts: 7,711
will the incremental benefits apply for next reset?
anyone know if the new incremental DM benefits over 1200 points (lounge passes, 4 upgrade certs, Gold companion pass) will be applicable if we already cleared those hurdles for the April 15 reset? Aka, what happens if I'm at 1800 or 2400 points when the change happens? Will I instantly get those extra benefits? Or is it not applicable to me since I'm still earning in the "old" system?
I'm trying to figure out if I should re-start buying cash tix and applying to MPC. Ie should I accrue to CX right now and keep spending past DM despite having another 6+ months until reset, or just keep ignoring earning to MPC until these changes are implemented post April 15. Normally, my pattern this time of year (aka, once I clear DM) is to burn miles, buy cheapo intra-Asia tickets, try other carriers, etc. This year I've been more aggressive than the past.
This year I have an 8 month holding pattern. I've done more flying this year than in recent memory, but CX has earned a smaller piece of my revenue pie. I can pretty easily change it back and these incremental benefits seem like a reasonable incentive. So I'm wondering, can I get those three extra levels of benefits (lounge passes, upgrade certs, GO companion pass) if I keep earning to MPC now, and when the change happens in April I'll get the lounge passes, upgrade certs, and GO pass all at once (presuming I'm at 2400 points or whatever)? Or is it CX's intention that those incremental benefits only apply to people who have crossed the higher thresholds after April 15?
I can probably cross all the thresholds for my membership year before April 15, but it will require me changing my habits now. I'll need to spend and earn to MPC during my CX "offseason".
I'm trying to figure out if I should re-start buying cash tix and applying to MPC. Ie should I accrue to CX right now and keep spending past DM despite having another 6+ months until reset, or just keep ignoring earning to MPC until these changes are implemented post April 15. Normally, my pattern this time of year (aka, once I clear DM) is to burn miles, buy cheapo intra-Asia tickets, try other carriers, etc. This year I've been more aggressive than the past.
This year I have an 8 month holding pattern. I've done more flying this year than in recent memory, but CX has earned a smaller piece of my revenue pie. I can pretty easily change it back and these incremental benefits seem like a reasonable incentive. So I'm wondering, can I get those three extra levels of benefits (lounge passes, upgrade certs, GO companion pass) if I keep earning to MPC now, and when the change happens in April I'll get the lounge passes, upgrade certs, and GO pass all at once (presuming I'm at 2400 points or whatever)? Or is it CX's intention that those incremental benefits only apply to people who have crossed the higher thresholds after April 15?
I can probably cross all the thresholds for my membership year before April 15, but it will require me changing my habits now. I'll need to spend and earn to MPC during my CX "offseason".
Oct 13, 2015, 10:03 am
#403
Join Date: Oct 2014
Posts: 174
anyone know if the new incremental DM benefits over 1200 points (lounge passes, 4 upgrade certs, Gold companion pass) will be applicable if we already cleared those hurdles for the April 15 reset? Aka, what happens if I'm at 1800 or 2400 points when the change happens? Will I instantly get those extra benefits? Or is it not applicable to me since I'm still earning in the "old" system?
I'm trying to figure out if I should re-start buying cash tix and applying to MPC. Ie should I accrue to CX right now and keep spending past DM despite having another 6+ months until reset, or just keep ignoring earning to MPC until these changes are implemented post April 15. Normally, my pattern this time of year (aka, once I clear DM) is to burn miles, buy cheapo intra-Asia tickets, try other carriers, etc. This year I've been more aggressive than the past.
This year I have an 8 month holding pattern. I've done more flying this year than in recent memory, but CX has earned a smaller piece of my revenue pie. I can pretty easily change it back and these incremental benefits seem like a reasonable incentive. So I'm wondering, can I get those three extra levels of benefits (lounge passes, upgrade certs, GO companion pass) if I keep earning to MPC now, and when the change happens in April I'll get the lounge passes, upgrade certs, and GO pass all at once (presuming I'm at 2400 points or whatever)? Or is it CX's intention that those incremental benefits only apply to people who have crossed the higher thresholds after April 15?
I can probably cross all the thresholds for my membership year before April 15, but it will require me changing my habits now. I'll need to spend and earn to MPC during my CX "offseason".
I'm trying to figure out if I should re-start buying cash tix and applying to MPC. Ie should I accrue to CX right now and keep spending past DM despite having another 6+ months until reset, or just keep ignoring earning to MPC until these changes are implemented post April 15. Normally, my pattern this time of year (aka, once I clear DM) is to burn miles, buy cheapo intra-Asia tickets, try other carriers, etc. This year I've been more aggressive than the past.
This year I have an 8 month holding pattern. I've done more flying this year than in recent memory, but CX has earned a smaller piece of my revenue pie. I can pretty easily change it back and these incremental benefits seem like a reasonable incentive. So I'm wondering, can I get those three extra levels of benefits (lounge passes, upgrade certs, GO companion pass) if I keep earning to MPC now, and when the change happens in April I'll get the lounge passes, upgrade certs, and GO pass all at once (presuming I'm at 2400 points or whatever)? Or is it CX's intention that those incremental benefits only apply to people who have crossed the higher thresholds after April 15?
I can probably cross all the thresholds for my membership year before April 15, but it will require me changing my habits now. I'll need to spend and earn to MPC during my CX "offseason".
Oct 13, 2015, 10:31 am
#404
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Hong Kong
Programs: CX, UA, Shangri-La, Hyatt, Starwood
Posts: 7,711
I see, thanks - I didn't fully understand what you were asking. Hopefully someone knows the answer. If so, I will probably adjust my spending patterns! But would like to know sooner rather than later due to upcoming travel. And certainly don't want to buy and book to MPC now with the expectation, only to discover it doesn't count for this period.
Oct 13, 2015, 10:03 pm
#405
Join Date: Oct 2014
Posts: 174
I see, thanks - I didn't fully understand what you were asking. Hopefully someone knows the answer. If so, I will probably adjust my spending patterns! But would like to know sooner rather than later due to upcoming travel. And certainly don't want to buy and book to MPC now with the expectation, only to discover it doesn't count for this period.