Jan 20, 2015, 5:28 am
Last edit by: hillrider
LHR charges for the cost of this screening to the passengers. For example, if you transited LHR on a round-trip in economy class from the US, you paid GBP 54.39 (USD 83.10) for this (on the ticket under tax/fee "UB").
EU Regulations state that "transfer passengers and their cabin baggage may be exempted from screening, if: (a) they arrive from a Member State [...] or (b) they arrive from a third country where the security standards applied are recognised as equivalent to the common basic standards [...] [E.g. the USA]"
SECURITY CONTROL both ways:
NO SECURITY CONTROL either way (Schengen to USA or v.v.):
NO SECURITY CONTROL from Schengen to USA (control on the way back from USA to Schengen):
EU Regulations state that "transfer passengers and their cabin baggage may be exempted from screening, if: (a) they arrive from a Member State [...] or (b) they arrive from a third country where the security standards applied are recognised as equivalent to the common basic standards [...] [E.g. the USA]"
Security control when connecting between USA and Schengen flights (European airports competing for LHR traffic)
SECURITY CONTROL both ways:
- LHR
NO SECURITY CONTROL either way (Schengen to USA or v.v.):
- FRA (A/Z-gates only) [Lufthansa hub]
- MUC [Lufthansa hub]
- AMS (from mid 2015 when reconstruction works finish) [KLM hub]
- HEL
- ZRH [SWISS hub]
- CPH
NO SECURITY CONTROL from Schengen to USA (control on the way back from USA to Schengen):
- VIE
- WAW
- ARN
- OSL
T5 security is a total disaster! [inc Fast Track issues]
Nov 4, 2014, 4:15 am
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My last time at T5 the display near North Security was showing 3-3 while the one at South Security was showing 5-2 at the same time.
Nov 4, 2014, 4:17 am
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Nov 4, 2014, 4:22 am
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T5 is setting new standards for TSA to aspire to.
Nov 4, 2014, 4:24 am
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Nov 4, 2014, 4:25 am
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That has always been the position, I believe, if only to avoid an unnecessary passport queue. It was/is International to Domestic who had a different roll of the dice.
Nov 4, 2014, 4:25 am
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I assume the security staff were all wandering around aimlessly like the land of the dead. Every manager at t5 with responsibility for this should be fired, it is always a head shaking experience watching the staff putting in minimal effort into their job. And i dont buy its a mundane low paid job so what can we expect; if the employees cant be bothered doing their part to improve matters by actually trying, kick them out and replace them with people that will give a toss. Reminds me of a significant number of people in the civil service in cayman. Turn up if you can be bothered, zombie through the day, get paid, go home. Time we started a protest at security demanding better. The next do will be at security, you'll all be required to sit on the floor and refuse to budge. Risk of arrest, but at least you might get a free cup of tea in the slammer.
And yes i feel better now. Not a lot annoys me when i travel, but t5 security does. I prefer miami over t5 and that is saying something.
And yes i feel better now. Not a lot annoys me when i travel, but t5 security does. I prefer miami over t5 and that is saying something.
Nov 4, 2014, 4:27 am
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No amount of glass, shiny steel and LCDs screens will disguise the emperor's clothes-fest that is T5.
The point above that T5 is worse than any other terminal is well made. There is something seriously funny going on with the security staff and the pace at which they work. It's regularly said that they look like they are on a go slow. Everything is done at a snails pace, with lots of needless pauses. I'd love to know what's going on, as it isn't the case at T1 (or indeed at nearly every other airport I've been through, some in countries where the stereotypes would have you believe the go-slow is endemic).
No amount of glass, shiny steel and LCDs screens will disguise the emperor's clothes-fest that is T5.
The point above that T5 is worse than any other terminal is well made. There is something seriously funny going on with the security staff and the pace at which they work. It's regularly said that they look like they are on a go slow. Everything is done at a snails pace, with lots of needless pauses. I'd love to know what's going on, as it isn't the case at T1 (or indeed at nearly every other airport I've been through, some in countries where the stereotypes would have you believe the go-slow is endemic).
Nov 4, 2014, 4:29 am
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Nov 4, 2014, 4:30 am
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Yup, same last night. Nice and calm, and no slalom to get to the (EI) lounge.
Nov 4, 2014, 4:31 am
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It was exactly the same going through T4 2 weeks ago. About 50% of bags were being side tracked for hand searching.
In the end I complained to the duty person in charge but made little different.
You can't say anything to the operatives or you will just get the 'we don't have to put up with abuse from people like you' line.
If this happened in Africa people would just laugh and describe it as third world. Which is what Heathrow really is these days. A dump to be avoided wherever possible.
In the end I complained to the duty person in charge but made little different.
You can't say anything to the operatives or you will just get the 'we don't have to put up with abuse from people like you' line.
If this happened in Africa people would just laugh and describe it as third world. Which is what Heathrow really is these days. A dump to be avoided wherever possible.
Nov 4, 2014, 4:34 am
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Nov 4, 2014, 4:34 am
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No amount of glass, shiny steel and LCDs screens will disguise the emperor's clothes-fest that is T5.
The point above that T5 is worse than any other terminal is well made. There is something seriously funny going on with the security staff and the pace at which they work. It's regularly said that they look like they are on a go slow. Everything is done at a snails pace, with lots of needless pauses. I'd love to know what's going on, as it isn't the case at T1 (or indeed at nearly every other airport I've been through, some in countries where the stereotypes would have you believe the go-slow is endemic).
No amount of glass, shiny steel and LCDs screens will disguise the emperor's clothes-fest that is T5.
The point above that T5 is worse than any other terminal is well made. There is something seriously funny going on with the security staff and the pace at which they work. It's regularly said that they look like they are on a go slow. Everything is done at a snails pace, with lots of needless pauses. I'd love to know what's going on, as it isn't the case at T1 (or indeed at nearly every other airport I've been through, some in countries where the stereotypes would have you believe the go-slow is endemic).
Scanner man got up and disappeared. Trays already full on the conveyor, as they were going slowly into the scanner, as the exit conveyor was full of uncleared empty trays.
During that time, still no one shifted the empty trays. The rest of the team around the scanner stood around chatting.
Attempts to leave the queue were met with shouts of "You. Get back."