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To avoid having to search through this multi-page thread, here is the crucial info contributed by several of the BA posters on this board. The full list of MF operated routes is as follows:

Updated 14 JAN 2020

Longhaul
Abu Dhabi (AUH)
Abuja (ABV) Moves WW > MF 01APR
Amman (AMM)
Atlanta (ATL)
Austin (AUS)

Baltimore (BWI) Moves WW > MF 01 APR
Bangkok (BKK) Moves MF > WW 01APR
Beijing (PKX)
Beirut (BEY)
Boston (BOS) - BA238/9 only
Buenos Aires (EZE)
Cairo (CAI)
Cape Town (CPT)
Chicago (ORD) - BA294/5 only until 31MAR. BA296/7 from 01APR
Delhi (DEL) - BA143/142 only until 31MAR. BA257/6 from 01APR

Denver (DEN) Moves WW > MF MAR only

Doha (DOH) Moves WW > MF 01APR
Dubai (DXB) - BA108/9 only. BA104/5 moves MF > WW 01APR
Durban (DUR)
Grand Cayman (GCM)

Hong Kong (HKG) - BA31/32 only Moves WW > MF 01APR
Houston (IAH)

Hyderabad (HYD)
Johannesburg (JNB)
Kuala Lumpur (KUL)

Kuwait (KWI) Moves WW > MF 30MAR
Las Vegas (LAS)
Los Angeles (LAX) - BA280/281 only
Miami (MIA) - BA208/9 only. BA206/7 moves MF > WW 01APR
Moscow (DME/SVO)
Muscat (MCT)
Nairobi (NBO) Moves MF > WW 30MAR
Nassau (NAS)
Osaka (KIX)
Phoenix (PHX)
Pittsburgh (PIT)

Portland (PDX) New to MF
San Diego (SAN)
San José (SJC)
Santiago (SCL)
Seattle (SEA)
Seoul (ICN)
Shanghai (PVG)
Singapore (SIN) - BA15/16 only
Sydney (SYD)
Tel Aviv (TLV)
Toronto (YYZ)
Vancouver (YVR)

Shorthaul
Aberdeen (ABZ)
Barcelona (BCN)
Bastia (BIA)
Belfast City (BHD)
Bologna (BLQ)
Brussels (BRU)
Bucharest (OTP)
Budapest (BUD)
Chánia (CHQ)
Copenhagen (CPH) Moves EF > MF 30MAR
Corfu (CFU)

Dalaman (DLM) New to MF
Dublin (DUB)
Düsseldorf (DUS)
Faro (FAO)
Frankfurt (FRA)
Gothenburg (GOT)
Hamburg (HAM)
Helsinki (HEL)
Ibiza (IBZ)
Kalamata (KLX)
Kos (KGS)
Kraków (KRK)
Larnaca (LCA)
Las Palmas (LPA)
Leeds\Bradford (LBA)
Lisbon (LIS)
Ljubljana (LJU)
Luxembourg (LUX)
Lyon (LYS)
Madrid (MAD) - BA460/461 only
Manchester (MAN)
Milan-Linate (LIN)

Montpellier (MPL) New to MF
Munich (MUC)
Mykonos (JMK)
Olbia (OLB)
Palma (PMI)

Perugia (PEG)

Podrodica (PGD)
Reykjavík (KEF)
Rhodes (RHO)
St. Petersburg (LED)
Santorini (JTR)
Split (SPU)
Sofia (SOF)
Stockholm-Arlanda (ARN)
Tenerife-South (TFS)
Vienna (VIE)
Zagreb (ZAG)

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Aug 7, 2014, 9:29 am

#31

BA6501

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Quote:

Originally Posted by KARFA

The answer we have consistently had from cc posting here is that there is no mixing of fleets on the same flight - WW, EF, MF, LGW crew, and LCY crew do not mix on the same flight ever and I understand are not allowed to do so.

That's what I said...

Aug 7, 2014, 9:33 am

#32

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I have had several trips in both F and J this year and I have no idea what crew was on the flight other than they were all professional friendly and did a great job.

Aug 7, 2014, 9:34 am

#33

Down Low

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 81romeo

Please could you confirm NBO is now MF on the 744?

Yes NBO is MF, has been for about three years I think.

Aug 7, 2014, 9:41 am

#34

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BA6501

That's what I said...

Apologies, I was trying to reply to Gold77's and hit reply on your earlier one instead.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gold77

I understand why MF and WW do not fly together as they have different rest agreements, but my question is why would you not be able to mix MF and European crews together on the same plane? If say, the MF crew is available to do a 12 hour shift but say the EF contracts limits the shift to 8hrs, what would prevent a crew picked from both fleets to do a pair of LHR-AMS returns together and having neither breach their limits?

As noted above I understand they are not allowed to contractually.

Aug 7, 2014, 10:10 am

#35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Gold77

What is the impact of having a mixed fleet crew or not on the passenger service?

IME, moderately improved eye candy and slightly improved attitude

Aug 7, 2014, 11:20 am

#36

Door1Left

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The current lost of MF operated routes is as follows, though on occasion MF crew can be found on other routes.

Short haul
Kiev
Pisa
Las Palmas
Sofia
Stavanger
Luxembourg
Kos
Rhodes
Manchester
Hamburg
Lyon
Paris Orly
Vienna
Basle
Bologna
Helsinki
Oslo
Edinburgh/Ibiza

LONG HAUL

Tel Aviv
Baku
Nairobi
Abuja
Las Vegas
Kuwait
Abu Dhabi/Muscat
Miami
Lagos
Luanda
Chicago
Los Angeles
Rio de Janeiro
Seoul
Tokyo
Cape Town
Singapore/Sydney

Hope this helps, though as has quite rightly been pointed out, there should be no evidence of which crew is crewing a specific flight service level wise - it should all be of the same quality

.

Regards
D1L

These views are my own and do not reflect those of my employer.

Aug 7, 2014, 11:54 am

#37

A P Yu

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Quote:

Originally Posted by markzz2

Its going to be a good few years before the "majority" are Mixed Fleet.

Not if Eurofleet is merged into it at the end of the current review to try and make it profitable

Aug 7, 2014, 11:58 am

#38

A P Yu

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Quote:

Originally Posted by davidrr16

Wonder how long before BA let MF loose on the LHR-JFK route...

long time I think!

BA wouldn't want to. JFK is often done as a back to back (Two trips back to back with a LHR stay in the middle). This is one of the most economical uses of WW Fleet on their current agreements so BA will want to keep routes like this on WW.

Aug 7, 2014, 12:03 pm

#39

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MF is a very mixed bag IME. Coming back from LAX last week, I had the most pathetic breakfast "serivice" I've ever encountered on flight. First I was offered a small bowl of fruit. Then... nothing for 20 minutes when I was being offered coffee or tea. Then another 15 minutes before someone asked if I would like a glass of juice or a smoothie. 1 hour after I was given the fruit bowl someone came around with a bread basket. Then there was a mad rush to collect everything before landing. An absolute zoo.

Aug 7, 2014, 12:20 pm

#40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by A P Yu

Not if Eurofleet is merged into it at the end of the current review to try and make it profitable

This is not going to happen.

Chicago will return to Worldwide Fleet from the start of the Winter schedules, as part of a back to back trip.

Washington will also be Worldwide Fleet, also part of a back to back. IAD/IAD back to backs every day in the winter.... that will not be a popular trip!

This does mean that MF will probably get at least one other route for the winter to replace ORD. IMO it should be a mid USA night stop such as IAH/DFW/DEN as they have nothing like that at the moment and the route swaps are aiming to be a fair share and variety of destinations.

Aug 7, 2014, 12:43 pm

#41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bullroot

IME, moderately improved eye candy and slightly improved attitude

Looking at the list I had WW crew then on my flight from ATL and the female crew member looking after me in F was so hot she was sizzling, and as a bonus fantastic at her job.

Aug 7, 2014, 1:27 pm

#42

Bar Operator

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Don't think there is much to it....the everyday reality is that it won't make much difference what fleet/division of crew operate a given flight in terms of customer service. It certainly shouldn't influence an individual's choice of flight or route (even if does influence which routes some pilots request

).

The one thing all fleets have in common are good and bad apples. That is one thing that remains unchanged !

Aug 7, 2014, 2:29 pm

#43

Flexible preferences

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Quote:

Originally Posted by A P Yu

BA wouldn't want to. JFK is often done as a back to back (Two trips back to back with a LHR stay in the middle). This is one of the most economical uses of WW Fleet on their current agreements so BA will want to keep routes like this on WW.

Quote:

Originally Posted by markzz2

May I ask how a back to back works? Surely the flying time would be out of hours if the crew simply flew out and came straight back again?

Aug 7, 2014, 2:46 pm

#44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Flexible preferences

May I ask how a back to back works? Surely the flying time would be out of hours if the crew simply flew out and came straight back again?

They aren't literally flights back to back. they still get a local night downroute too e.g. LHR - IAD (nightstop) IAD - LHR Overnight - LHR (nightstop) LHR - IAD (nightstop) IAD - LHR Overnight and then air kisses and home

Aug 7, 2014, 2:49 pm

#45

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Quote:

Originally Posted by A P Yu

Sounds fun! Thanks for clearing that up for me