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Old Jan 14, 2021, 8:06 pm
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Originally Posted by James91
I wouldn't worry about LGW, I'd worry about STN and LTN - I'm sure the low cost airlines would dump those two airports in a heartbeat in favor of LGW. I know I'd consider flying FR if I didn't have to trek out to STN. As it is, 2+ hours on the train just isn't feasible for a weekend break.
I cant see Ryanair upping sticks and moving from STN to LGW. Theyve been around years and never shown much interest in LGW, plus theyve got a nice established base at STN and know what works. Wizz on the other hand, Im sure theyll be sniffing around for Norwegians slots.

I do think LGW will suffer some heavy losses. Gatwick has always been the next best thing to LHR and handled a lot of the spillover from LHR. Airlines who couldnt get slots (or couldnt get more slots) at LHR, chose Gatwick. But now that LHR has room and demand is drastically down, things will change. Weve already seen Virgin/Cathay/Emirates/Air Malta consolidate their ops at LHR for now, and Im sure more will follow. easyJet and TUI will remain strong at Gatwick though and BA will be keeping a fair few long haul routes, so not all is lost.
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Old Jan 15, 2021, 12:56 am
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Originally Posted by James91
I wouldn't worry about LGW, I'd worry about STN and LTN - I'm sure the low cost airlines would dump those two airports in a heartbeat in favor of LGW. I know I'd consider flying FR if I didn't have to trek out to STN. As it is, 2+ hours on the train just isn't feasible for a weekend break.
Because no-one lives outside of the M25 - especially not to the dreaded North!
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Old Jan 15, 2021, 2:06 am
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Originally Posted by etiene
Because no-one lives outside of the M25 - especially not to the dreaded North!
I don't think that's what was being implied, merely that the OP would consider them but their own location puts them off. I think Ryanair will stay put in any event given they are the dominant carrier. I've no doubt they'll use Covid to squeeze a better deal out STN by threatening to move, right enough.

Wizz has been desperate to get into LGW and has seen its attempts frustrated, so I wouldn't be surprised if they did try to move to LGW. They operate an interesting array of Eastern Europe destinations that are starved of completion, so if the London market or indeed the ex-pats in London prefer LGW to LTN, they might well follow the money.
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Old Jan 15, 2021, 6:03 am
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Originally Posted by Akoz
It does now seem that IAG dogged a bullet when their offer to buy Norwegian was turned down.
I wonder what would have happened had they been able to take them over?
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Old Jan 15, 2021, 6:24 am
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Originally Posted by BAeuro
Indeed. This is arguably the best time for JetBlue to start the route, given theyll face no direct competition and may pick up the UKs South Coast travellers bound for NYC.
It will surely allow them to consolidate the planned BOS-STN service to LGW too, not that I ever expected that to operate to STN.

I think there is a future in low cost, p2p long haul, its on narrow-bodies though.
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Old Jan 15, 2021, 6:40 am
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Btw JetBlue are proposing business class on their transatlantic flights.
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Old Jan 15, 2021, 7:02 pm
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Originally Posted by Cap'n Benj
It will surely allow them to consolidate the planned BOS-STN service to LGW too, not that I ever expected that to operate to STN.

I think there is a future in low cost, p2p long haul, it’s on narrow-bodies though.
Agreed - it just feels like B6 have far more experience on how to do long-ish flights already. They do South America and some of those flights are at the 5-6 hour mark. This feels like a more logical extension to me, than Norwegian ever did. JetBlue also have a great reputation and brand recognition in the U.S. which is crucial.
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Old Jun 12, 2021, 1:24 am
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Air Antwerp (flying ANR-LCY-ANR in a single Fokker 50) ceases operation.
https://www.ifn.news/posts/air-antwe...es-operations/

Having flown with them on their first day and last week before COVID shut down LCY I'll definitely miss them, it was such a good connection to go back and forth to certain areas in Belgium by avoiding BRU. Friendly staff and great well known pilot as well.
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Old Jun 12, 2021, 3:23 am
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Another one to add to the list. Will have an impact on BA & especially EI

Aer Lingus cancels all Stobart Air regional flights
https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2021...5-stobart-air/
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Old Jun 12, 2021, 3:39 am
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Apparently Aer Lingus had awarded the new franchise for EI regional flights to Emerald Airlines so it was always going away from Stobart. The problem now is Emerald were not due to take over until the end of 2022 or start of 2023, so who knows what happens now with those routes.

Quite a substantial loss, and at this rate there will be more this year unfortunately.
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Old Jun 12, 2021, 3:52 am
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Originally Posted by andymcdonnell
Another one to add to the list. Will have an impact on BA & especially EI

Aer Lingus cancels all Stobart Air regional flights
https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2021...5-stobart-air/
Gutted about this, big blow to BHD especially after the demise of Flybe.
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Old Jun 12, 2021, 3:59 am
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Originally Posted by KARFA
Apparently Aer Lingus had awarded the new franchise for EI regional flights to Emerald Airlines so it was always going away from Stobart. The problem now is Emerald were not due to take over until the end of 2022 or start of 2023, so who knows what happens now with those routes.

Quite a substantial loss, and at this rate there will be more this year unfortunately.
I wonder if Aer Lingus will bring any of those routes into mainline operations until a new franchise partner is up an running - especially when they have so many aircraft sitting around doing nothing ?

Maybe a triangle routing DUB-GLA-EDI-DUB ?!
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Old Jun 12, 2021, 7:50 am
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Originally Posted by andymcdonnell
Another one to add to the list. Will have an impact on BA & especially EI

Aer Lingus cancels all Stobart Air regional flights
https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2021...5-stobart-air/
Don't Stobart operate a number of routes for BA - although the article only mentions Aer Lingus routes?
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Old Jun 12, 2021, 8:03 am
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Originally Posted by Cyberhacker
Don't Stobart operate a number of routes for BA - although the article only mentions Aer Lingus routes?
A ,lot of the Stobart routes for Aer Lingus had BA codeshares. So this turn of events has cut out a number of options for BA ticketing such as NCL-DUB-BOS. Many (maybe all) of these codeshares were standalone, so you didn't need another Aer Lingus flight to make it work.
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Old Jun 12, 2021, 8:05 am
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Originally Posted by andymcdonnell
Aer Lingus cancels all Stobart Air regional flights
https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2021...5-stobart-air/
The irony being that the last three press releases have been the announcements of new routes - for Aer Lingus - although these haven't yet started;
  • 2021-05-02 New Belfast/Glasgow route (19 weekly!)
  • 2021-05-10 New Dublin/Cardiff (3 weekly) and Belfast/Cardiff (4 weekly)
  • 2021-04-22 New Dublin/Exeter (4 weekly) and Belfast/Newquay (3 weekly)
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