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#106
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: All over the place often South Wales and Lake District
Programs: BA Gold for Life Accor Platinum
Posts: 4,552
Can someone in FT towers please enter the word "Apologist" in the naughty word filter. I'm getting fed up with seeing it used to dismiss an argument. I'm quite surprised to see Short Final using it, but it does get used too often and is divisive.
Every time my name is used on a plane by a CSD/M is that abusing DPA?
I've been told my CIV score in a roundabout way - "Mr itsmeitisss nice to have you on board, 97 flights, impressive! Please call me if you need anything. Enjoy your flight." I'm a low rent GGL, and may not be even that next year. And no, I didn't ask for my score.
I think more common sense is required. As a store manager I used to discuss the fact that a customer had been a long standing one. The notion that that might be breaking the law is crazy.
Every time my name is used on a plane by a CSD/M is that abusing DPA?
I've been told my CIV score in a roundabout way - "Mr itsmeitisss nice to have you on board, 97 flights, impressive! Please call me if you need anything. Enjoy your flight." I'm a low rent GGL, and may not be even that next year. And no, I didn't ask for my score.
I think more common sense is required. As a store manager I used to discuss the fact that a customer had been a long standing one. The notion that that might be breaking the law is crazy.
#107
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: YVR
Programs: Ice Cream Club, AC SE MM, Bonvoy Life Plat
Posts: 2,803
I don't feel the need to justify my reasons, but I'll bite.
It was A JOKE! I couldn't care less if my CIV is 1 or 1000. It just happened that I was travelling with someone who knows what the CIV is and it all started with a bit of banter, in the style of "mine is bigger than yours" sort of thing.
It was A JOKE! I couldn't care less if my CIV is 1 or 1000. It just happened that I was travelling with someone who knows what the CIV is and it all started with a bit of banter, in the style of "mine is bigger than yours" sort of thing.
I'm surprised BA doesn't just tell their customers how valued they are directly. From everything I read here, it seems the CIV score is not normally revealed even to the specific customer in question.
#108
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: YVR
Programs: Ice Cream Club, AC SE MM, Bonvoy Life Plat
Posts: 2,803
He declared he was drunk... does intent play into this in any way? any armchair lawyers here? =)
#109
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Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Anywhere I need to be.
Programs: OW Emerald, *A Gold, NEXUS, GE, ABTC/APEC, South Korea SES, eIACS, PP, Hyatt Diamond
Posts: 16,046
(Even if I did need to borrow money, I would NOT use a CC.)
As for bank details, they can see it just fine.
(It is mainly CC payments, deposits, and transfers to other accounts.)
#110
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: YVR
Programs: Ice Cream Club, AC SE MM, Bonvoy Life Plat
Posts: 2,803
For those who are desperate to know, it is a number that BA assigns to the passenger that rates them on a scale from 0? to 100. Golds start at 36 - which I've always found amusing since this is the highest OW tier (emerald) and it only ranks just over a third of the way up the scale. Make of this what you will
or that you're receiving a halal meal...
#111
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Here today, gone tomorrow
Programs: Nothing shiny :-(
Posts: 2,493
As other people have mentioned, a breach of the DPA is a breach, you don't get big or small breaches.
Scenario.. bank to customer... oh we didn't tell the nice old lady any of your account details or any private information like that we only said you had banked with us for 20 years.
End result... nice old lady is ex wife of bank customer, who goes to her solicitor and says that her ex husband has maintained a bank account with ABC Bank for 20 years. Silicitor ensures that this bank account is included in divorce settlement..... but of course it was only a tiny breach of the DPA.....
Scenario.. bank to customer... oh we didn't tell the nice old lady any of your account details or any private information like that we only said you had banked with us for 20 years.
End result... nice old lady is ex wife of bank customer, who goes to her solicitor and says that her ex husband has maintained a bank account with ABC Bank for 20 years. Silicitor ensures that this bank account is included in divorce settlement..... but of course it was only a tiny breach of the DPA.....
#112
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: YVR
Programs: Ice Cream Club, AC SE MM, Bonvoy Life Plat
Posts: 2,803
If they undertake a transaction with a commercial entity, then there is an implied expectation of privacy, and in the case of an airline an expectation of security and safety. What if there was some high-profile individual on board, and the drunken people decided they didn't like them for political or whatever reasons and would go for some air rage ? (not saying it was the case in this particular situation, just speaking in general).
I suppose you could feign hearing impairment and just ignore the call, but it might be an upgrade!!!
Oh, it's awesome too when I hear both first and last name called out. Perhaps Mr. Final is a very common name, or in the case of foreign names, impossible for the GA to ascertain which is genuinely the first vs. last name.
*poke poke* the live cargo when I am in the zoo...
I still say the OP was over international waters, so take your UK acts and eat them. How do I know this? I invent facts while sitting in lounges.
#113
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: YVR
Programs: Ice Cream Club, AC SE MM, Bonvoy Life Plat
Posts: 2,803
#115
Join Date: May 2011
Programs: BA Gold
Posts: 794
(@:-) Diary note to self......leave it a couple of weeks and then start a thread about CIV scores, and note I was shown the manifest.)
Then:
Follow the Fireworks Code.
• Keep fireworks in a closed box
• Follow the instructions on each firework
• Light all fireworks at arms length
• Stand well back
• Never go back to a lit firework
• Never put fireworks in your pocket
• Never throw fireworks
• Keep Pets indoors
Unlike some, I find it all utterly amusing!
Then:
Follow the Fireworks Code.
• Keep fireworks in a closed box
• Follow the instructions on each firework
• Light all fireworks at arms length
• Stand well back
• Never go back to a lit firework
• Never put fireworks in your pocket
• Never throw fireworks
• Keep Pets indoors
Unlike some, I find it all utterly amusing!
#117
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: YVR
Programs: Ice Cream Club, AC SE MM, Bonvoy Life Plat
Posts: 2,803
I think the spirit of the OP (at time of supposed breach) was sporting, the goal of which was to entertain himself and a companion with silly chat. This is exactly in keeping with the spirit you mention, and I wholeheartedly agree this is ultimately the goal of any system of jurisprudence: peace.
Sometimes it's just fun to fling your dung around. And in my case, to increase my post count so mine is just as big as yours!
#118
Join Date: Jul 2011
Programs: Mucci de la Cuisine Aérienne du Réseau Courte Durée de British Airways
Posts: 4,704
(@:-) Diary note to self......leave it a couple of weeks and then start a thread about CIV scores, and note I was shown the manifest.)
Then:
Follow the Fireworks Code.
• Keep fireworks in a closed box
• Follow the instructions on each firework
• Light all fireworks at arms length
• Stand well back
• Never go back to a lit firework
• Never put fireworks in your pocket
• Never throw fireworks
• Keep Pets indoors
Unlike some, I find it all utterly amusing!
Then:
Follow the Fireworks Code.
• Keep fireworks in a closed box
• Follow the instructions on each firework
• Light all fireworks at arms length
• Stand well back
• Never go back to a lit firework
• Never put fireworks in your pocket
• Never throw fireworks
• Keep Pets indoors
Unlike some, I find it all utterly amusing!
What is against the Data Protection Law is for the list of passengers on the flight to be given to you to have a look at.
I think the mods should close this thread because other than people enjoying insulting each other, it is getting nowhere fast.
#119
Join Date: Mar 2011
Programs: MUCCI
Posts: 833
Thank you Littlegirl. The sack bit was admittedly probably stringing it out a bit, but I do feel they do need a good talking to by their line manager and a resit of their data protection exam scheduled ASAP.
Now can we all let this thread die ?
Now can we all let this thread die ?
#120
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: YVR
Programs: Ice Cream Club, AC SE MM, Bonvoy Life Plat
Posts: 2,803
Besides, if there was some high profile dude onboard, I'd expect s/he's publicly identifiable by merely gazing at his face/stance/gait/etc... Such an individual has decidedly become "public" and has given up some privacy as a result. (the right/wrong of which is not within the scope of an airline/pax to decide)
Privacy is a myth of insecurity, especially when frolicking among the public. (ie, on a plane with others, in a public library, walking on the public streets, etc.) Society is grand ain't it?