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Oct 27, 2010, 11:53 am

#1456

denCSA

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mattk

Not sorted is now the answer! As the flights are linked/married through to a final destination it's impossible for them to change the first leg. Don't understand it but looks like I'll have to live with it unless anyone else has any ideas.

You're out of luck. MSC (Married-Segment Control) is a very closely watched issue with LH (and QR), and they go ballistics when any outside agent tries to go around the MSC logic.

Oct 27, 2010, 1:10 pm

#1457

mattk

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Quote:

Originally Posted by denCSA

You're out of luck. MSC (Married-Segment Control) is a very closely watched issue with LH (and QR), and they go ballistics when any outside agent tries to go around the MSC logic.

Thanks for the knowledgable advice denCSA.

Oct 27, 2010, 2:39 pm

#1458

GoldCircle

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mattk

I have an example today that might be illustrative of this (or it just could be they have crappy systems).

Yes, it was a very good example.

Oct 27, 2010, 3:57 pm

#1459

flysas

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can someone please help with availability for the following routing

27 feb lhr - hkg prefer evening departure

11 march sgn - bkk prefer morning departure

14 march bkk - lhr late evening departure

all in economy for one passenger

other alternate would be a virgin economy ticket
27 feb lhr - hkg
14 mar hkg - lhr
many thanks in advance for your help

Last edited by flysas; Oct 27, 2010 at 5:02 pm Reason: added

Oct 28, 2010, 9:10 am

#1460

G_G

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NZ is available ^

[KVS Availability Tool 5.8.0/Diamond - SNT: Awards/StarAlliance/JP-ANA-SP1]

Code:

LHR  London Heathrow UK [EGLL]
HKG  Hong Kong Intl HK [VHHH]
SUN  27 Feb 2011 | 1 Seat

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  -------------
NZ         38      LHR   21:05     HKG   17:15 +1  772  0   FS/  CS-  YS+

Oct 28, 2010, 9:12 am

#1461

G_G

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[KVS Availability Tool 5.8.0/Diamond - SNT: Awards/StarAlliance/JP-ANA-SP1]

Code:

SGN  Ho Chi Minh City VN [VVTS]
BKK  Bangkok Intl TH [VTBS]
FRI  11 Mar 2011 | 1 Seat

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  -------------
TG         551     SGN   10:20     BKK   11:45     333  0   FS/  CS-  YS+
TG         557     SGN   20:55     BKK   22:20     333  0   FS/  CS-  YS-
LH         773     SGN   21:05     BKK   22:30     744  0   FS+  CS+  YS+

Oct 28, 2010, 9:15 am

#1462

G_G

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So 00:15 on the 15th march is better

[KVS Availability Tool 5.8.0/Diamond - SNT: Awards/StarAlliance/JP-ANA-SP1]

Code:

BKK  Bangkok Intl TH [VTBS]
LHR  London Heathrow UK [EGLL]
MON  14 Mar 2011 | 1 Seat

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  -------------
TG         910     BKK   00:15     LHR   06:20     744  0   FS+  CS-  YS+
TG         916     BKK   13:30     LHR   19:35     744  0   FS+  CS+  YS+

[KVS Availability Tool 5.8.0/Diamond - SNT: Awards/StarAlliance/JP-ANA-SP1]

Code:

BKK  Bangkok Intl TH [VTBS]
LHR  London Heathrow UK [EGLL]
TUE  15 Mar 2011 | 1 Seat

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  -------------
TG         910     BKK   00:15     LHR   06:20     744  0   FS+  CS-  YS+
TG         916     BKK   13:30     LHR   19:35     744  0   FS+  CS+  YS+

Oct 28, 2010, 10:12 am

#1463

flysas

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thanks for ur help gg

Oct 29, 2010, 1:00 am

#1464

Cheetah_SA

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This is a bit generic: I want to know the best way to check for LX availability. I did several searches (honest!) and am still not sure I understand it. Am I correct in understanding:

- M&M shows availability for their FF program only and is no indication of what is available to DC members.
- Ditto for EF.
- ANA shows availability when it applies to partners like DC and is the best source for this. This will usually be closer to the date of the flight. (I am looking for next April.)

I did see reference to the ICC finding availability when none was showing on ANA. Is this at all common?

TIA

Oct 29, 2010, 2:53 am

#1465

alexb1212

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bd 5033 vs

i can see i class award seats on ef bd5033 lhr-lax this is a vs flight
are you able to book this as miles+cash with bd

Oct 29, 2010, 3:04 am

#1466

Tiger_lily

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No, you can't book a VS flight under a BD codeshare and get away with C&M.

You'll pay full VS partner miles for that, and have to book it as a return

Oct 29, 2010, 3:41 am

#1467

jms_uk

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I presume booking BD codeshare flights on non-DC partners [like KM] is not possible at all?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tiger_lily

No, you can't book a VS flight under a BD codeshare and get away with C&M.

You'll pay full VS partner miles for that, and have to book it as a return

Oct 29, 2010, 3:52 am

#1468

Tiger_lily

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jms_uk

I presume booking BD codeshare flights on non-DC partners [like KM] is not possible at all?

Correct

Oct 29, 2010, 12:29 pm

#1469

KVS

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Cheetah_SA

Your understanding is correct.

And, being a KVS Tool member, you can easily access both 'sets' of award/upgrade availability using the [Awards/M&M] & [Awards/StarAlliance] Methods respectively.