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Roaming Ryan Oct 25, 2010 10:33 am

Looking to book a couple of Z3-Z5 ow awards, one originating in Denver and one in Boston. Do these routings look legit?

DEN-IAH-CLT-GIG-ASU(stopover)-EZE(dest)

BOS-EWR-CLT-GIG-ASU(stopover)-EZE(dest)

FlyerTalker7654 Oct 26, 2010 10:43 am

Told Im NOT allowed Z2 – Z8 route! :(
 
Hello all,

Id like some advice if I may with a booking I want to make.

Mrs SgtRYan and myself are looking to book a Zone 2 to Zone 8. We came up with the following plan;

CPN- BKK (stop over for 7 days) PEK.

When I rang up BMI today to calculate the tax the agent on the phone said that this routing was not permitted and that if we wanted to do this it would cost 41,450 miles. (as it would be considered 2 separate bookings).

I became very confused as I thought that we could do this? I note that others have done other routes such as Z2 to various points in South East Asia before connecting to zone 8. Has the rules now changed?

Mrs SgtRyan really wants to see Bali, and I want to spend a couple of days in Singapore, so if we could have flown into either BKK or SIN and then booked a cheap low cost airline to Bali before getting to China that would have been a right result.

Any advice or route help would be much appreciated.

Cheers ^

Doug_1970 Oct 26, 2010 11:05 am

Do you mean CPH ? AFAIK CPN airport is in Papa New Guinea, which I don't think is in Z2 :)

Assuming you mean CPH, then I don't see why this isn't valid. I have a booking for a few weeks time MXP - BKK - ICN with a 3 week stopover in BKK. The first agent I spoke to said it wasn't possible, the next one did it without any question.

I reckon 37,500 miles in business (or 18,750 C&M).

FlyerTalker7654 Oct 26, 2010 11:11 am


Originally Posted by Doug_1970 (Post 15016764)
Do you mean CPH ? AFAIK CPN airport is in Papa New Guinea, which I don't think is in Z2 :)

Assuming you mean CPH, then I don't see why this isn't valid. I have a booking for a few weeks time MXP - BKK - ICN with a 3 week stopover in BKK. The first agent I spoke to said it wasn't possible, the next one did it without any question.

I reckon 37,500 miles in business (or 18,750 C&M).

ooopppssss my bad....yep did mean CPH:D can I be rude and do CPH -BKK (less then 24 hours) and then SIN (stop over) and then PEK? :o

rogerj Oct 26, 2010 2:41 pm

Help needed to fly LON - MIA - MSY then back to LON
 
Hi,

Having made a couple of successful redemptions, I'm keen to use more of my miles.....

I want to travel from LON to MIA then MSY. Looking on the *A site I can't find an easy way of doing this. Any ideas from the experts? I want to travel in J, at least on the trans-atlantic leg.

AHO Oct 27, 2010 7:26 am


Originally Posted by SgtRyan (Post 15016808)
ooopppssss my bad....yep did mean CPH:D can I be rude and do CPH -BKK (less then 24 hours) and then SIN (stop over) and then PEK? :o

I don't think it's valid routing. Of course you can try. If you are lucky, you get an agent who lets you book the itinerary as Z2-Z8.

CPH-SIN(stopover)-PEK can work. I have booked ARN-CPH-SIN(stopover)-PVG before. But again, ICC has become more stingy about routing nowadays.

jjjohn Oct 27, 2010 8:39 pm

Because of too many people abuse the system.

mogensglistrup Nov 6, 2010 11:45 pm

Can this by done by any chance?
 
Frankfurt - Mexico City First class lufthansa.
3 days stopover
Mexico City - Vancouver Business Class Air Canada.

In same one way ticket, possible?

First agent said no, but did anyone had luck with something similar?

clubman Nov 7, 2010 2:26 am

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Even if you could do this you would be charged for First class all the way through plus the surcharge (in miles) for First on LH.

lhr baby Nov 7, 2010 4:34 am

I'm quite sure this is definitely not a valid routing as a round trip. If you have to go with LH you'd be best to book two one ways, as you will only pay the first class premium in one direction (you'll still pay the same LH 10k premium though).

Unless you are seriously pushed for time, why not consider doing the whole trip on AC and save yourself a few miles. Here is what you could do. It will take 4.5 hours longer for your first leg.

1) Book a return to FRA-YVR with a stopover in YUL or YYZ (allow enough time for a missed connection).
2) Book a nested return YUL or YYZ to MEX.

You could do all the above in Business Class. Those that read my posts regularly will know I'm quite a fan of AC. In my view AC business is every bit as good as LH First Class. The food is as good, the wines are better, the seat is better on some routes (I can't comment specifically on this one) and the in-flight video is miles better on AC. Neither has 100% perfect service but AC are the top North American airline for Business Class service in my opinion.

PS: I just checked and at the moment the FRA-YUL service is still using A330s, which are fine for daytime flights, but try to get the return via YYZ so that the overight is in a 767 or 777 flat bed.

mogensglistrup Nov 7, 2010 5:26 am


Originally Posted by lhr baby (Post 15090681)
I'm quite sure this is definitely not a valid routing as a round trip. If you have to go with LH you'd be best to book two one ways, as you will only pay the first class premium in one direction (you'll still pay the same LH 10k premium though).

Unless you are seriously pushed for time, why not consider doing the whole trip on AC and save yourself a few miles. Here is what you could do. It will take 4.5 hours longer for your first leg.

1) Book a return to FRA-YVR with a stopover in YUL or YYZ (allow enough time for a missed connection).
2) Book a nested return YUL or YYZ to MEX.

You could do all the above in Business Class. Those that read my posts regularly will know I'm quite a fan of AC. In my view AC business is every bit as good as LH First Class. The food is as good, the wines are better, the seat is better on some routes (I can't comment specifically on this one) and the in-flight video is miles better on AC. Neither has 100% perfect service but AC are the top North American airline for Business Class service in my opinion.

PS: I just checked and at the moment the FRA-YUL service is still using A330s, which are fine for daytime flights, but try to get the return via YYZ so that the overight is in a 767 or 777 flat bed.

Thank you for your suggestions, but have you been to the First Class Terminal in Frankfurt? because that's what I was looking for + a ticket out of Mexico City within the one way ticket.

lhr baby Nov 7, 2010 4:29 pm

Well if its a special occasion or there's someone you want to impress then I understand, but you can get valet parking and a nice meal for a lot less than the value of the miles you are going to spend. Apart from that its a morning flight so the day room isn't especially useful and the limo to the plane is more of a gimmick than an advantage. Personally, I prefer to get there early, take advantage of priority boarding and settle in before the flight.

I guess I missed something regarding the flight out of MEX on one ticket. Is there some kind of visa advantage? Not sure I follow but in any case I can't see how its a valid route. You can buy this ticket for cash but its three times the price of the average ticket even in economy and you don't want to know the price of first, so I'll be amazed if they allow it. I doubt you would even get away with an onward connection to a southern US hub let alone Vancouver.

LonLH Nov 9, 2010 3:17 am

I wanted to do a OSL-FRA-ICN-KIX redemption today. I was told in the first instance that it is not possible at all, so I hung up and called another agent who told me that I can do OSL-FRA-ICN, but adding a KIX segment is not a valid routing (even if stopover in ICN is less than 24 hours).

I tried a third agent who also gave me the same message that Zone2-Zone 8 with stops/transit in ICN is not allowed. Since I did not want to argue, I have booked two one ways, to/from ICN.

Questions:

- Is there anything fundamentally wrong in the routing? I can't see any as it comes up as a routing on staralliance.com

- Am I better off to live with what I have and try to get a revenue ticket ICN-KIX-ICN or is it worthwhile trying to bolt in an extra ICN-KIX segment for the outbound o/w and KIX-ICN to inbound o/w? Does it involve cancellation (in which case availability is 0 on the return leg) or is it simply adding an extra segment and recalculating taxes (as KIX and ICN are both in zone 8).

ICN-KIX-ICN is wide open as there are several NH and OZ flights daily- who do I escalate to if ICC says no again (assuming this is a feasible routing)?

Thanks in advance for your suggestions.

Learner99 Nov 9, 2010 9:50 am

Hello

Just wondered if these were valid routes...

LHR-YVR- SFO (London - Vancouver- San Francisco)

LAS-YVR-LHR (Las Vegas- Vancouver- London) with a stopover in Vancouver.

Thanks in advance...

Tiger_lily Nov 9, 2010 10:18 am

Both of these should be fine


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