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Freewilly Jul 14, 2010 11:13 am

Is it possible to fly Zone 1 to Zone 4 by Zone 6 ? LON-JNB-GRU with a stopover in JNB?

Or Zone 6 to zone 1 by 4 : JNB-GRU-LON with a stopover in GRU?

How many miles+cash will be charged for this route?

baggageinhall Jul 14, 2010 12:19 pm


Originally Posted by Freewilly (Post 14299097)
Is it possible to fly Zone 1 to Zone 4 by Zone 6 ? LON-JNB-GRU with a stopover in JNB?

Or Zone 6 to zone 1 by 4 : JNB-GRU-LON with a stopover in GRU?

How many miles+cash will be charged for this route?

LHR-GRU is 5863 miles

LHR-FRA-GRU is 6480 miles

LHR-JNB-GRU is taking the p*ss; an almighty 10251 miles, or almost 75% more.

So no, the ICC will rightly not accept this as a valid routing. You would need to redeem two separate awards, 1-4 and 4-6.

RAPC Jul 14, 2010 12:58 pm


Originally Posted by baggageinhall (Post 14299573)

So no, the ICC will rightly not accept this as a valid routing. You would need to redeem two separate awards, 1-4 and 4-6.

Yep, this won't get through. LHR-GRU via North America (zone 3) will be allowed though. Via 4 won't though.

Freewilly Jul 14, 2010 2:29 pm


Originally Posted by RAPC (Post 14299797)
Yep, this won't get through. LHR-GRU via North America (zone 3) will be allowed though. Via 4 won't though.



Thx for the information. When I understand it right: FRA-SFO(Stopover)-EZE(finaldestination)-FRA is possible as zone 1 to 4.

Do they except: SFO-EZE(Stop)-FRA. (As a oneway?).

RAPC Jul 14, 2010 3:34 pm


Originally Posted by Freewilly (Post 14300405)
Thx for the information. When I understand it right: FRA-SFO(Stopover)-EZE(finaldestination)-FRA is possible as zone 1 to 4.

Do they except: SFO-EZE(Stop)-FRA. (As a oneway?).

SFO-EZE-FRA wouldn't get through as it isn't a direct route.

gbsfo Jul 14, 2010 6:53 pm


Originally Posted by Freewilly (Post 14300405)
Thx for the information. When I understand it right: FRA-SFO(Stopover)-EZE(finaldestination)-FRA is possible as zone 1 to 4.

Do they except: SFO-EZE(Stop)-FRA. (As a oneway?).

FRA-oSFO-EZE should not be allowed either really as a) AFAIK no *A carrier serves SFO-EZE n/s so you would have to backtrack to pick up a CO flight from IAH, a UA flight from IAD or AC from YYZ and b) It will be WAY over the MPM is not a published routing and by no means close to the most direct.

FRA-IAH-EZE
FRA-IAD-EZE
FRA-YYZ-EZE

I can all see being valid, as well as possibly slight variations thereof. Trying to push it via SFO is really taking the micky IMO.

ed1980 Jul 15, 2010 9:00 am

Hello,

Am looking to do LHR - JNB - WDH in C (Biz class?) however on return leg want to do stop-over in CPT. Do you think WDH-CPT-JNB-LHR would be allowed?

(Can't fly CPT-LHR because no redemptions in any class available)

Alternatively, would they allow WDH-CPT, and JNB-LHR with me travelling o'land.

I don't want to be forced to buy WDH-CPT or WDH-JNB as these flights are expensive, where as a CPT-JNB can be picked up for £70 so not such a problem.

Thanks!

onlysuites Jul 15, 2010 11:40 am


Originally Posted by ed1980 (Post 14304998)
Hello,

Am looking to do LHR - JNB - WDH in C (Biz class?) however on return leg want to do stop-over in CPT. Do you think WDH-CPT-JNB-LHR would be allowed?

(Can't fly CPT-LHR because no redemptions in any class available)

Alternatively, would they allow WDH-CPT, and JNB-LHR with me travelling o'land.

I don't want to be forced to buy WDH-CPT or WDH-JNB as these flights are expensive, where as a CPT-JNB can be picked up for £70 so not such a problem.

Thanks!

I doubt it. They will charge the WDH-CPT and JNB-LHR as two awards as there is no reason to fly via CPT when there is a direct flight to JNB.

RAPC Jul 15, 2010 11:52 am


Originally Posted by lallyr (Post 14306014)
I doubt it. They will charge the WDH-CPT and JNB-LHR as two awards as there is no reason to fly via CPT when there is a direct flight to JNB.

Actually, I'd say there was at least a chance here. Same zone stopover, not a massive diversion and CPT-LHR is still the routing, albeit via JNB.

Definitely worth an ask at least. The worst they can say is no. Not clear cut I agree though lallyr.

onlysuites Jul 15, 2010 11:55 am


Originally Posted by RAPC (Post 14306078)
Actually, I'd say there was at least a chance here. Same zone stopover, not a massive diversion and CPT-LHR is still the routing, albeit via JNB.

Definitely worth an ask at least. The worst they can say is no. Not clear cut I agree though lallyr.

RAPC has a valid point. There is a chance. Give it a shot and let us know how it goes.

ed1980 Jul 15, 2010 1:28 pm

Thanks, well as long as I wasn't being totally unreasonable, I'll give it a go tomorrow and let you know (just waiting to hear if we can pick up our 4wd in WDH rather than CPT)

ny911 Jul 15, 2010 1:54 pm


Originally Posted by Guy Betsy (Post 14292628)
I haven't called yet but would just like to see if you guys think I'll get it...

AMS-x/FRA or x/ZRH - x/BKK-SIN (stopover for 7 months) - MLE

Looking at C for next week.

There are seats available on TG via FRA (old seats) or ZRH (A346). Nothing on SQ obviously in C or Y !

Is there any ways to take FRA-ZRH(x)-HKG(x)-SIN(stopover 1.5 day)-MLE instead of via BKK?

AHO Jul 15, 2010 11:46 pm


Originally Posted by ny911 (Post 14306861)
Is there any ways to take FRA-ZRH(x)-HKG(x)-SIN(stopover 1.5 day)-MLE instead of via BKK?

I think it's way over than most direct route.
Additionally, you touch zone 8(HKG) too.

sjharte Jul 17, 2010 4:30 am

any chance of LHR-GRU-IGU (the Brazilian side of the falls for a stopover) then -IGU-[POA or GIG]-EZE as a one way with stopover to South America?

molasis Jul 19, 2010 3:26 pm

Want some help on points calculations and viability.

Our holiday is in Split (SPU) for 5 days on the way back from Tiblisi in Georgia to London. I'm needing to get to the closest convenient access point (rental car okay) to Split. Sarajevo (SJJ) isn't too far really, neither is Zagreb (ZAG).

TBS is in Zone 2 and London Zone 1, so surely I am best to try to get this as 1 longer one-way award (with a stopover) Zone 2-1 rather than 2 shorter one-way awards zone 2-2 and zone 2-1, as zone 1-2 is cheaper than zone 2-2. AND there is no real way to avoid the extra segments surcharge anyway (extra 7500 etc) as each transfer (Tiblisi to Split, and Split to London) is likely to require two segments each.

On the surface it looks like this, please tell me if/where I'm going wrong on points. I also believe this to be almost directly in a straight line from TBS to LON so the stopover in somewhere like SJJ shouldn't seem like I'm 'taking advantage'

TBS-IST-SJJ / SJJ-MUC-LON

Zone 2-1 one-way = 6000
Multi-segment surcharge = 3750 (is this just once, or every extra segment beyond the first?)

So I'm seeing 9750 per person or 4875 + £35 as cash and miles. Is this even remotely correct?

And will they ticket this even though there is a direct TBS-LHR? If they won't am I stuck doing it as two one way awards like below?

TBS-IST-SJJ
Zone 2-2 one way 10000
multi segment surcharge 3750
SJJ-MUC-LHR
Zone 2-1 one way 6000
multi segment surcharge 3750

So 23,000 per person or 11,750 + £35x2 cash and miles.

Thanks for any light you can shed. I hope I'm clear enough, please ask if you need any clarification.


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