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AHO Jul 12, 2010 8:59 am

I have a routing question to fellow FT:ers on this board.

I have done ARN-CPH-SIN(stopover)-NRT before.
This route is 93,7% more than direct flight(if available)
ARN-NRT: 5090 miles
ARN-CPH-SIN-NRT:9558 miles

Now BMI agent says NRT-SIN(stopover)-BKK-LHR-LIS is not valid routing.
This route is 60,2% more than direct flight(if available)
NRT-LIS: 6946 miles
NRT-SIN-BKK-LHR-LIS: 11130 miles

What's logic?

flytofly Jul 12, 2010 9:42 am

I would try another agent.


Originally Posted by AHO (Post 14284861)
I have a routing question to fellow FT:ers on this board.

I have done ARN-CPH-SIN(stopover)-NRT before.
This route is 93,7% more than direct flight(if available)
ARN-NRT: 5090 miles
ARN-CPH-SIN-NRT:9558 miles

Now BMI agent says NRT-SIN(stopover)-BKK-LHR-LIS is not valid routing.
This route is 60,2% more than direct flight(if available)
NRT-LIS: 6946 miles
NRT-SIN-BKK-LHR-LIS: 11130 miles

What's logic?


onlysuites Jul 12, 2010 11:02 am


Originally Posted by RAPC (Post 14284591)
No, it wasn't a stopover that was causing an issue as these aren't allowed at all in Europe anyway.

The routings in question for clarity were JNB-IST-BKK and JNB-IST-SIN. The reason given by the ICC was that you couldn't route via Zone 2. Obviously, this is the ICC we are talking about, so logic and consistency may not be high on the agenda ;)

Yep JNB-Europe-BKK or SIN aren't valid routings according to the Star Alliance timetable. Only routings that are allowed are via Asia.

The staff seem to be more rigid now days as they seem to always put the call on hold while they check if its a valid routing.

RAPC Jul 12, 2010 11:41 am


Originally Posted by lallyr (Post 14285541)
Yep JNB-Europe-BKK or SIN aren't valid routings according to the Star Alliance timetable. Only routings that are allowed are via Asia.

Indeed that appears to be the interpretation now, but in past versions of the downloadable timetable, those routings have shown up like the PVG example, whilst not showing online. Hence why I think there may be an issue with some agents on that basis. It is rather hard to understand what will and won't be allowed through the ICC with any certainty, that's for sure!

AHO Jul 12, 2010 11:55 am


Originally Posted by flytofly (Post 14285082)
I would try another agent.

I have tried many agents today, no luck.

It may be NRT-SIN Y and SIN-BKK Y which trigers "2 awards combo".

My plan is,
NRT-SIN NH Y (no C award seat available on the flight)
(stopover)
SIN-BKK SQ Y (no C award seat available on the flight)
BKK-LHR TG C
LHR-LIS TP C

BMI agents could not price above itinerary as Z8-Z2 C award (which should be 18750 miles + cash 127,50 GBP)

But they calculate the itinerary as a combo of;
NRT-SIN(stopover)-BKK Y (Z8-Z7: 7500 miles + cash 50 GBP)
&
BKK-LHR-LIS C (Z7-Z2: 30000 miles + cash 202,50 GBP)

Any suggestions?

flytofly Jul 13, 2010 12:22 am

My guess is your stopover in higher zone, namely zone 7 may trigger 2 awards.
Zone 8/ Zone2 is cheaper than Zone7/Zone2
So, maybe they would not allow a stopover in Zone 7 for a z8/z2 award.
Just my two cents.

I did NRT-SIN-IST a year ago. but my stay in SIN was less than 24 hrs, just enough time for a two hour business meeting.

I would still try another agent one last time with

NRT-SIN(stopover)-LHR-LIS. Good luck!



Originally Posted by AHO (Post 14285832)
I have tried many agents today, no luck.

It may be NRT-SIN Y and SIN-BKK Y which trigers "2 awards combo".

My plan is,
NRT-SIN NH Y (no C award seat available on the flight)
(stopover)
SIN-BKK SQ Y (no C award seat available on the flight)
BKK-LHR TG C
LHR-LIS TP C

BMI agents could not price above itinerary as Z8-Z2 C award (which should be 18750 miles + cash 127,50 GBP)

But they calculate the itinerary as a combo of;
NRT-SIN(stopover)-BKK Y (Z8-Z7: 7500 miles + cash 50 GBP)
&
BKK-LHR-LIS C (Z7-Z2: 30000 miles + cash 202,50 GBP)

Any suggestions?


AHO Jul 13, 2010 2:19 am


Originally Posted by flytofly (Post 14290139)
My guess is your stopover in higher zone, namely zone 7 may trigger 2 awards.
Zone 8/ Zone2 is cheaper than Zone7/Zone2
So, maybe they would not allow a stopover in Zone 7 for a z8/z2 award.
Just my two cents.

I did NRT-SIN-IST a year ago. but my stay in SIN was less than 24 hrs, just enough time for a two hour business meeting.

I would still try another agent one last time with

NRT-SIN(stopover)-LHR-LIS. Good luck!

The problem is, there is no F/C award available on SIN-LHR route. I can find C award seat only on between SIN-LHR via BKK on the date I want to fly.

I guess also it would have worked if I routed NRT-BKK(stopover)-LHR-LIS in C.
As I could book Y award at last. (I was sooooo tired to call many times in long time yesterday.)

NRT-SIN NH Y
(stopover)
SIN-LHR SQ Y
LHR-LIS TP Y

12500 miles + 85 GBP + 169,90 GBP + 4,50 GBP

pogonation Jul 13, 2010 7:33 am


Originally Posted by AHO (Post 14290416)
The problem is, there is no F/C award available on SIN-LHR route. I can find C award seat only on between SIN-LHR via BKK on the date I want to fly.

I guess also it would have worked if I routed NRT-BKK(stopover)-LHR-LIS in C.
As I could book Y award at last. (I was sooooo tired to call many times in long time yesterday.)

NRT-SIN NH Y
(stopover)
SIN-LHR SQ Y
LHR-LIS TP Y

12500 miles + 85 GBP + 169,90 GBP + 4,50 GBP

Is there a reason why you are flying to LIS or is it just the fact that you want to end in Z2? If you just want to end in Z2 then why not fly: NRT-SIN-CPH for example. They will allow that.

AHO Jul 13, 2010 8:08 am


Originally Posted by pogonation (Post 14291298)
Is there a reason why you are flying to LIS or is it just the fact that you want to end in Z2? If you just want to end in Z2 then why not fly: NRT-SIN-CPH for example. They will allow that.

It's simple.
I couldn't find SQ C award on SIN-CPH, SIN-AMS, SIN-IST, SIN-FCO on the day I wanted to fly. I need(ed) to fly to LHR too and having one day there.

JPS76 Jul 13, 2010 9:17 am

Chengdu with HKG Stop over
 
Hoping to book the following one way in J with miles plus cash...

LHR-ZRH-HKG (stopover) -CTU (Chengdu)

Is this doable?

Currently LHR-BKK-CTU, which is the most direct routing is not available, but this suits me as I want the stopover in HKG. Would also prefer LX over LH hence the ZRH connection.

Thoughts?

Guy Betsy Jul 13, 2010 11:14 am

4 sectors.. Z2-Z10
 
I haven't called yet but would just like to see if you guys think I'll get it...

AMS-x/FRA or x/ZRH - x/BKK-SIN (stopover for 7 months) - MLE

Looking at C for next week.

There are seats available on TG via FRA (old seats) or ZRH (A346). Nothing on SQ obviously in C or Y !

view Jul 13, 2010 11:42 am

Should be doable, been done many times when SQ C was widely available from Europe. Though they are keen to warn you that if you fail to take the last leg you will be penalized (charged to SIN), and they might try to make you book the return at the same time. There should be some threads on here covering those issues.

If there is space on the SQ 772ER from AMS on your date and in requested class of service you might have to take that directly to SIN.

Guy Betsy Jul 13, 2010 2:54 pm


Originally Posted by view (Post 14292819)
..
If there is space on the SQ 772ER from AMS on your date and in requested class of service you might have to take that directly to SIN.

There isn't.

Strawb Jul 13, 2010 7:10 pm


Originally Posted by Guy Betsy (Post 14292628)
I haven't called yet but would just like to see if you guys think I'll get it...

AMS-x/FRA or x/ZRH - x/BKK-SIN (stopover for 7 months) - MLE

No chance. Don't even bother taking the piss.

mds1982 Jul 14, 2010 8:31 am

SJO via NYC/YYZ - help!
 
Each and all,

I want to got San Jose (#do you know the way to San Jose...do de do...# -sorry) in Costa Rica via NYC outbound and YYZ return. A simply Econ ticket should cost me 45k or 25k+some dosh. However....a simple return would get me tickets on Continental, and to say I don't like them would be to indulge in comical understatement. Given that European airlines are a whole bunch better, am I able to route via, say, Zurich with SWISS across the pond and then use CO or UA (or US) to SJO? I want to do a stopover in NYC en route. Inbound, Could I do AC via Toronto...?

I am not sure if this is allowed, as it is not direct, involves more changes than is strictly necessary and, generally, is a bit of a kerfuffle involving a whole load of dfferent carriers. I also don't want to be stung for more miles than the 45k I have in my head.

I have been hanging on to them a while, but feel now's the time to burn. I would, however, rather burn myself Stigmata-style than burn my miles using CO.

My eternal gratitude...and a coconut... to the answer that makes my day. :)


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