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rtwflyer Jul 24, 2010 8:00 am

Thanks everyone for the quick responses - still not sure about the BKK-KBV-BKK sectors as there seems to be a difference of opinion!


Originally Posted by baggageinhall (Post 14356772)
Do you really mean KBZ, as in Kaikora New Zealand or do you mean KBV which is Krabi? If it's the former then definitely not. If it's the latter (Krabi), then I can't see a problem.

ICN-FRA-LIS or ICN-LHR-LIS are both fine. ICN-FRA-LHR-LIS will probably be rejected due to the unnecessary extra leg.

oops - can't believe I did that! Much as I like Kaikora, I meant Krabi :)
Thanks - thought the second one was a no-go.


Originally Posted by CAlex (Post 14356851)
Why would ICC allow LHR-BKK-KBV-BKK-ICN as a one-way trip, when it can be done as LHR-BKK-ICN or LHR-FRA-ICN?

Now I'm confused when compared to baggageinhall's answer!


Originally Posted by littlevoices (Post 14356893)
No, but for the reason that the BKK-KBV-BKK is a backtrack, however, even if you removed BKK-KBV and back again its highly unlikely as BKK is the opposite side of the planet from ICN.

Another answer suggesting KBV rtn leg is not possible so maybe I'd have to scrap that idea or pay for flights seperately. I had also thought of LHR-BKK-HKT-ICN as an option, but guess this also backtracking?

As for LHR-BKK-ICN not being possible I'm surprised -I thought I'd seen quite a few Z1 (or Z2) - Z7 -Z8 redemptions. :confused:

baggageinhall Jul 24, 2010 8:22 am

In the past, people have been able to get LHR-BKK-NRT or LHR-SIN-NRT without much fuss from the ICC.

LHR-Krabi-ICN (which ultimately, is what you want, the extra BKK steps are merely a consequence and not a ridiculous one at that) sounds as sensible as the routes to NRT above.

The opinions at the ICC are as numerous as those on here.

Worst case, I would expect them to allow LHR-BKK-ICN. (If they agree to that, Krabi is hardly far from BKK!)

CAlex Jul 24, 2010 9:12 am

Now it makes sense for me, ICC can close eyes and accept KBV as stopover, even if you need 2 additional legs to get there.

rtwflyer, go for this itinerary, but be prepared to settle for LHR-BKK-ICN, and buy a separate Y ticket BKK-KBV.

Flying Low Jul 24, 2010 4:41 pm

I've got one: FRA-Seattle, then on from Vancouver to Anchorage. Can't do FRA-YVR as no availability with LH or AC, and there's no availability from SEA-ANC. Is that a permissible routing?

Tiger_lily Jul 24, 2010 4:50 pm


Originally Posted by Flying Low (Post 14358986)
I've got one: FRA-Seattle, then on from Vancouver to Anchorage. Can't do FRA-YVR as no availability with LH or AC, and there's no availability from SEA-ANC. Is that a permissible routing?

It's the same general direction of travel and no backtracking involved so I would say that one should be OK.

Tiger_lily Jul 24, 2010 4:59 pm


Originally Posted by rtwflyer (Post 14357008)
I had also thought of LHR-BKK-HKT-ICN as an option, but guess this also backtracking?

It is, but there's no direct flight to HKT from LHR, so that bit is fine.

Worst case you would get LHR-BKK-HKT and then HKT-ICN on separate awards, but the HKT-ICN flight can be a devil to find award seats on, and it leaves at something like 0200


Originally Posted by rtwflyer (Post 14357008)
As for LHR-BKK-ICN not being possible I'm surprised -I thought I'd seen quite a few Z1 (or Z2) - Z7 -Z8 redemptions.

Direct LHR-ICN is 5520 miles vs 8235 via BKK so it's probably well outside of MPM. Routings like LHR-BKK-NRT have been allowed though but that's 5974 direct vs 6458 via BKK, so in MPM terms, it's not a huge difference.

jbfield Jul 25, 2010 3:42 pm


Originally Posted by molasis (Post 14326865)
TBS is in Zone 2 and London Zone 1, so surely I am best to try to get this as 1 longer one-way award (with a stopover) Zone 2-1 rather than 2 shorter one-way awards zone 2-2 and zone 2-1, as zone 1-2 is cheaper than zone 2-2.

I'm not sure I fully understand your question, but you cannot do a stopover in Europe, so it'll have to be two separate one-way journeys.

9 No stop-overs are permitted within Europe. Outside of Europe one stop-over is permitted. A stop-over is a lapse of at least 24 hours between your arrival and departure at any transfer point, i.e. if travelling from London Heathrow to Singapore via Frankfurt, you would not be able to stay in Frankfurt for more than 24 hours.
http://www.flybmi.com/bmi/en-gb/loya...e-flights.aspx

yosithezet Jul 27, 2010 7:44 am

I'm patiently awaiting some HH miles to show up in my account in order to redeem what I thought was a valid redemption. I tried to plug it into the tax calculator and it is saying that it is not a valid option. What I was planning was:

TLV-FRA LH F
FRA-BOS LH F
BOS-PIT US Y (regional jet)

I figured I could do it with C&M and then it would cost me 60K miles plus the cash. But the calculator says this is not an option. When I change the LH legs to C I get results. So am I to understand you can't use C&M to redeem LH F? I guess this is not going to be my first F experience.

One of the problems is availability from FRA to get across the pond in C seems to be hard to find. This will be my first redemption so please be gentle. I did search around and read the FAQ and didn't find the answer.

Will they hold a reservation for a few days until the HH miles show up?

caz312 Jul 27, 2010 9:25 am


Originally Posted by yosithezet (Post 14372719)
I figured I could do it with C&M and then it would cost me 60K miles plus the cash. But the calculator says this is not an option. When I change the LH legs to C I get results. So am I to understand you can't use C&M to redeem LH F? I guess this is not going to be my first F experience.

yes no C&M on LH F and there is also a premium of 10,000 miles on top 'per sector'

this was the thread: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/bmi-d...ts-awards.html

Zurich Flyer Jul 27, 2010 4:34 pm

Canarian Islands and Island
 
I cannot find Canarian Islands and Reykjavik. Do they belong to zone 2 (Spain and Denmark)?

pogonation Jul 27, 2010 5:35 pm


Originally Posted by Tiger_lily (Post 14359034)
Direct LHR-ICN is 5520 miles vs 8235 via BKK so it's probably well outside of MPM. Routings like LHR-BKK-NRT have been allowed though but that's 5974 direct vs 6458 via BKK, so in MPM terms, it's not a huge difference.

Actually LHR-NRT-BKK is 5974 direct vs. 8847 via BKK. So the allowed route to NRT is actually a bigger detour. Plus since when did BMI have MPM's? I thought it was pretty subjective and down to the agents discretion to allow it or not.

If I were the OP then I would try book XXX-BKK-HKT-ICN first and try a few different agents. If they wouldn't allow it then it should be easy to book XXX-BKK-ICN and then I would just purchase a cheapo airasia return to KBV.

On the way back ICN-FRA-LHR-LIS would be pushing it a little and although it may be possible I'm sure you will encounter a few problems. You would have no problems booking ICN-LHR-LIS.

Oxon Flyer Jul 28, 2010 1:30 am


Originally Posted by Zurich Flyer (Post 14376032)
I cannot find Canarian Islands and Reykjavik. Do they belong to zone 2 (Spain and Denmark)?

A simple search here for "Canary" and "Iceland" will give you your answers.

Cheetah_SA Jul 28, 2010 8:48 am


Originally Posted by Oxon Flyer (Post 14377992)
A simple search here for "Canary" and "Icelend" will give you your answers.

"Icelend"?! :eek: :D

chang9121990 Jul 28, 2010 11:44 am

Asking this again...
Is it possible to go from Z3 to Z9/10 via Z8?
Ex: JFK-NRT-TPE-SIN-MLE/SYD

Zurich Flyer Jul 28, 2010 11:52 am


Originally Posted by Oxon Flyer (Post 14377992)
A simple search here for "Canary" and "Iceland" will give you your answers.

Really? I did the simple search and neither destination was found @:-)


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