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RAPC Jun 27, 2010 1:57 pm


Originally Posted by CAlex (Post 14203688)
Using the great feedback here, I went back to drawing board and came up with the following itinerary for the return leg. Would it be allowed by ICC as Z3-Z1?

29.12 SFO-LAX 19:00 – 20:24 UA 319 Y
29.12 LAX-JFK 22:45 – 07:00 UA 757 F (overnight)
04.01 JFK-MUC 20:25 – 10:25 LH 346 C (overnight)
05.01 MUC-OTP 15:40 – 18:35 LH E95 C

If this would be OK, would I be charged F miles for return ticket, or C miles? UA has only Economy and BusinessFirst on their 757 planes, and seat does not really look like F seat...

If you are flying UA, then you will pay F miles. BusinessFirst is the CO product, so is it definitely UA?

Lutz Jun 27, 2010 4:44 pm

ORD-NRT-AKL-SYD ok?
 
Hello all,

Would this be an acceptable routing? I read that going to OZ via ICN is *usually* OK but I didn't see anything about going via NRT & AKL.

ORD-NRT-AKL(stopover)-SYD
SYD-ICN(stopover)-ORD

Many thanks.

iwillflytheworld Jun 27, 2010 5:28 pm


Originally Posted by CAlex (Post 14203688)
Using the great feedback here, I went back to drawing board and came up with the following itinerary for the return leg. Would it be allowed by ICC as Z3-Z1?

29.12 SFO-LAX 19:00 – 20:24 UA 319 Y
29.12 LAX-JFK 22:45 – 07:00 UA 757 F (overnight)
04.01 JFK-MUC 20:25 – 10:25 LH 346 C (overnight)
05.01 MUC-OTP 15:40 – 18:35 LH E95 C

If this would be OK, would I be charged F miles for return ticket, or C miles? UA has only Economy and BusinessFirst on their 757 planes, and seat does not really look like F seat...

Actually on the LAX-JFK route United operates a 3-cabin service, and F is almost as good as international F. I think you may be confusing UA with CO.

In any case, as it was already pointed out, even F on two-cabin flights counts as F for redemption purposes, so you'd have to pay the F amount.

What is unclear (to me) is whether the 100 pound surcharge for F awards on LH would apply, given that you have segments on LH but they are in C.

Oxon Flyer Jun 28, 2010 1:23 am


Originally Posted by iwillflytheworld (Post 14204550)
What is unclear (to me) is whether the 100 pound surcharge for F awards on LH would apply, given that you have segments on LH but they are in C.

:confused:
There is no 100 pound LH F surcharge.

There's a 10,000 miles surcharge for an LH sector in F, which would not apply to this itinerary.

CAlex Jun 28, 2010 2:48 am

Thanks for the input. I confused indeed CO BusinessFirst with UA F. Can I assume that when F and Y are available on a flight, that the F sector will be charged as C, if part of a longer redemption ticket in C?

Coming back to the route, would SFO-XXX-JFK-MUC-OTP be allowed, where XXX is a transit airport still to be identified, depending on availability?

RAPC Jun 28, 2010 2:53 am


Originally Posted by CAlex (Post 14206149)
Thanks for the input. I confused indeed CO BusinessFirst with UA F. Can I assume that when F and Y are available on a flight, that the F sector will be charged as C, if part of a longer redemption ticket in C?

Coming back to the route, would SFO-XXX-JFK-MUC-OTP be allowed, where XXX is a transit airport still to be identified, depending on availability?

No, F on a two cabin plane will be charged as F. It used to be charged based on the longest sector, but they started enforcing the rule that the highest cabin used would be charged for. (This was the rule all along, but it was never really enforced) The only exception to this CO who sell their domestic premium cabin as C and not F, so this is charged at C rates only.

As for your routing, it should be fine as long as the transit city is on a point between SFO and JFK. (i.e. not via SYD/EZE etc ;))

Oxon Flyer Jun 28, 2010 2:53 am


Originally Posted by CAlex (Post 14206149)
Can I assume that when F and Y are available on a flight, that the F sector will be charged as C, if part of a longer redemption ticket in C?

No : under the new application of the rule, if any sector is in F, even if it is a short domestic USA sector, then you pay F for the whole trip.

Lutz Jun 30, 2010 5:09 am


Originally Posted by Lutz (Post 14204395)
Hello all,

Would this be an acceptable routing? I read that going to OZ via ICN is *usually* OK but I didn't see anything about going via NRT & AKL.

ORD-NRT-AKL(stopover)-SYD
SYD-ICN(stopover)-ORD

Many thanks.

Hello, anyone? Thanks.

pogonation Jul 1, 2010 4:09 am


Originally Posted by Lutz (Post 14218526)
Hello, anyone? Thanks.

Hi Lutz. This looks perfectly acceptable to me. I'm sure you will have no problems when it comes to booking it ^

Lutz Jul 5, 2010 1:28 pm


Originally Posted by pogonation (Post 14224512)
Hi Lutz. This looks perfectly acceptable to me. I'm sure you will have no problems when it comes to booking it ^

Thanks pogonation. But I've decided that it's probably better to fly LAX-AKL on NZ C so I'm going to wait until 2 months before the departure to book it.

gdaily Jul 5, 2010 6:45 pm

I need to put Mrs gdaily on a flight from LHR to Miami on Virgin?

Question 1: Can I book a flight on Virgin for her using my miles?

Travel dates must be

Out: 21 of January in Upper Class (since I already have a seat there, and it wont be good for the marriage to let her sit in economy)

In: 30 of January. Any class (since Im not going)

Question 2: Is it possible to mix classes (I know you can when you book directly on Virgin, but will Bmi do it)?

Question 3: It looks like it is impossible to book a return 30 january? Will they open up more seats later? When should I book?

Question 4: I guess I could arrange so that she for example kan get her to Washington or New York, and take a flight from there. But will Bmi book me such a flight (for example LHR-Miami, return Washington-LHR)?

I really appriciate any input!

/Ola

gdaily Jul 6, 2010 10:16 am

I can now answer my own questions, after a call to Bmi

1) Yes
2) Yes, but you pay the highest fare :-(
3) No idea
4) Nope, Washington is in another zone (cheaper zone, but could not pay the higher fare even if I tried). Orlando however was ok (same zone).

pogonation Jul 7, 2010 2:41 am


Originally Posted by gdaily (Post 14251548)
I can now answer my own questions, after a call to Bmi

1) Yes
2) Yes, but you pay the highest fare :-(
3) No idea
4) Nope, Washington is in another zone (cheaper zone, but could not pay the higher fare even if I tried). Orlando however was ok (same zone).

Can you not fly *A partners? Virgin will cost you 100k whereas *A will cost you 75k (or 37,500 + £210). And if you want to send her back in economy then you can and it will bring the overall price down.

greyt Jul 7, 2010 5:42 am

Looking at trying to break up my regular trip to Vegas... Is this a valid routing :-

LHR-ZRH on Swiss F
ZRH-BOS on Swiss F. stopover in Boston
BOS-LAS on United F

Is this a valid routing and is there any addditional mileage charge for changing to United for the last leg? If BOS-LAS is unavailable would ICC offer an indirect flight via United?

Thanks...

RAPC Jul 7, 2010 5:47 am


Originally Posted by greyt (Post 14256681)
Looking at trying to break up my regular trip to Vegas... Is this a valid routing :-

LHR-ZRH on Swiss F
ZRH-BOS on Swiss F. stopover in Boston
BOS-LAS on United F

Shouldn't be a problem at all with that routing.


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