Jan 1, 2014, 5:17 pm
Last edit by: JDiver
NOTE: This thread has been superseded by the thread entitled LM F and J routes (and the occasional trick-it) Rebooted v2.0. Please follow the discussion there.
Region definitions
C1 North America
C1.5 Caribbean, Bermuda
C2 Europe
C2.5 Middle East
C3 Asia
C4 South America
C5 Africa
C6 Oceania
2X, 3X: in the context of this LifeMiles thread, 2X and 3X refer to any 2nd and 3rd legs of a one-way award ticket.
LifeMiles' Star Alliance Award Chart
Cash & Miles redemptions: buying the max (60%) isn't always the best deal (unless you're purchasing all miles right there). Check here for the best CPM.
Beware of Cabotage: LifeMiles has been known to issue tickets that constitute Cabotage, and at least one instance of denied boarding has been reported, stranding the passenger. An easily-seen example is travel on Copa from LAX to SJU (via PTY).
Region definitions
C1 North America
C1.5 Caribbean, Bermuda
C2 Europe
C2.5 Middle East
C3 Asia
C4 South America
C5 Africa
C6 Oceania
2X, 3X: in the context of this LifeMiles thread, 2X and 3X refer to any 2nd and 3rd legs of a one-way award ticket.
LifeMiles' Star Alliance Award Chart
Cash & Miles redemptions: buying the max (60%) isn't always the best deal (unless you're purchasing all miles right there). Check here for the best CPM.
Beware of Cabotage: LifeMiles has been known to issue tickets that constitute Cabotage, and at least one instance of denied boarding has been reported, stranding the passenger. An easily-seen example is travel on Copa from LAX to SJU (via PTY).
LM F and J routes (and the occasional trick-it)
Apr 24, 2014, 1:41 am
#2041
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: FRA
Programs: A3 *G, HH Diamond
Posts: 99
Indeed, if F is removed from 1/3 of the long haul fleet, this certainly is substantial.
I am aware of:
FRA-BKK (LH772/773 eff. 31may14)
FRA-KUL/CGK (eff 31may14)
FRA-PHL (eff 1jun14)
FRA-DXB (eff 1jun14)
FRA-SEA (eff 1jul14)
FRA-DFW (eff 28jul)
FRA-IKA
I am aware of:
FRA-BKK (LH772/773 eff. 31may14)
FRA-KUL/CGK (eff 31may14)
FRA-PHL (eff 1jun14)
FRA-DXB (eff 1jun14)
FRA-SEA (eff 1jul14)
FRA-DFW (eff 28jul)
FRA-IKA
Apr 24, 2014, 1:52 am
#2042
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 989
Going back to our Visa discussion that we had a few pages back.
I was thinking about this:
1. Let's say I fly C2 (MUC, VIE, ...) - C3 (ICN, TYO,BKK, ...) - XYZ
2. I don't need a visa for the C3 country but would need one for XYZ
3. But I also decide that I'm not going to check any bags
In this case, I could just check-in online, go to the plane and that's it?
Or would the C2-C3 (e.g. MUC-ICN) flight have any special checks?
I was thinking about this:
1. Let's say I fly C2 (MUC, VIE, ...) - C3 (ICN, TYO,BKK, ...) - XYZ
2. I don't need a visa for the C3 country but would need one for XYZ
3. But I also decide that I'm not going to check any bags
In this case, I could just check-in online, go to the plane and that's it?
Or would the C2-C3 (e.g. MUC-ICN) flight have any special checks?
Apr 24, 2014, 2:05 am
#2043
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 286
And often you will have to provide a proof of a ticket leaving XYZ.
Apr 24, 2014, 4:47 am
#2046
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: FRA
Programs: A3 *G, HH Diamond
Posts: 99
Or, if you want to obtain the visa yourself, hotels may actually offer an invitation service (for which you don´t necessarily have to book a room) for a small feewhich will give you the invitation letter straight away. Try http://www.tambov-hotel.ru/eng/visa-support.htm
Apr 24, 2014, 5:14 am
#2047
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Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: New York Metropolitan Area 45 km from JFK
Programs: UA,AA,AS,BA
Posts: 4,607
Going back to our Visa discussion that we had a few pages back.
I was thinking about this:
1. Let's say I fly C2 (MUC, VIE, ...) - C3 (ICN, TYO,BKK, ...) - XYZ
2. I don't need a visa for the C3 country but would need one for XYZ
3. But I also decide that I'm not going to check any bags
In this case, I could just check-in online, go to the plane and that's it?
Or would the C2-C3 (e.g. MUC-ICN) flight have any special checks?
I was thinking about this:
1. Let's say I fly C2 (MUC, VIE, ...) - C3 (ICN, TYO,BKK, ...) - XYZ
2. I don't need a visa for the C3 country but would need one for XYZ
3. But I also decide that I'm not going to check any bags
In this case, I could just check-in online, go to the plane and that's it?
Or would the C2-C3 (e.g. MUC-ICN) flight have any special checks?
However, you forget that there is also an agent at the boarding gate.
Sure you could be lucky.
I would always say that my visa was issued at the Embassy of XYZ in Seoul and that the visa is waiting for me at ICN and is being delivered prior to boarding my final flight to XYZ. Carrying a copy if a completed Visa Application ( which of course was never filed) may offer additional safety.
Apr 24, 2014, 5:26 am
#2048
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Posts: 102,095
By the way, once you do something like this, having the stamps in your passport that show you have done this before for a given routing may help. I know it's helped me out before more than a few times.
Apr 24, 2014, 6:48 am
#2049
Join Date: Jun 2013
Programs: SPG Plat 100, A3*G
Posts: 678
Nice thinking pattern.
However, you forget that there is also an agent at the boarding gate.
Sure you could be lucky.
I would always say that my visa was issued at the Embassy of XYZ in Seoul and that the visa is waiting for me at ICN and is being delivered prior to boarding my final flight to XYZ. Carrying a copy if a completed Visa Application ( which of course was never filed) may offer additional safety.
However, you forget that there is also an agent at the boarding gate.
Sure you could be lucky.
I would always say that my visa was issued at the Embassy of XYZ in Seoul and that the visa is waiting for me at ICN and is being delivered prior to boarding my final flight to XYZ. Carrying a copy if a completed Visa Application ( which of course was never filed) may offer additional safety.
Apr 24, 2014, 10:37 am
#2051
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: BZG
Programs: LH FTL, PC Plat,Hilton Gold
Posts: 128
I had very similiar journey in feb 14.
With a polish travel agency I got a visa, costed me 150 eur, no return ticket needed.
Had no luggage, did OLCI (only for this one segment on a specific european airline), nobody was interested in seeing my visa. Used only first segment to Asia and that's it. (it was not muc icn, but the same trick)
With a polish travel agency I got a visa, costed me 150 eur, no return ticket needed.
Had no luggage, did OLCI (only for this one segment on a specific european airline), nobody was interested in seeing my visa. Used only first segment to Asia and that's it. (it was not muc icn, but the same trick)
Apr 24, 2014, 10:56 am
#2052
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 6,385
only dfw, sea, and phl are applicable to me. still leaves most routes available.
Apr 24, 2014, 11:18 am
#2053
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: JFK
Programs: -
Posts: 178
Unusual TATL F availability being reported by blogs.
Any way to take advantage of it with LM without drinking maple syrup?
Any way to take advantage of it with LM without drinking maple syrup?
Apr 24, 2014, 11:19 am
#2054
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Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Austin, Texas
Programs: Airline nobody. Sad!
Posts: 26,062
Just wanted to warn that the coding in this thread is really getting lax...Step your game back up folks...