Jan 1, 2014, 5:17 pm
Last edit by: JDiver
NOTE: This thread has been superseded by the thread entitled LM F and J routes (and the occasional trick-it) Rebooted v2.0. Please follow the discussion there.
Region definitions
C1 North America
C1.5 Caribbean, Bermuda
C2 Europe
C2.5 Middle East
C3 Asia
C4 South America
C5 Africa
C6 Oceania
2X, 3X: in the context of this LifeMiles thread, 2X and 3X refer to any 2nd and 3rd legs of a one-way award ticket.
LifeMiles' Star Alliance Award Chart
Cash & Miles redemptions: buying the max (60%) isn't always the best deal (unless you're purchasing all miles right there). Check here for the best CPM.
Beware of Cabotage: LifeMiles has been known to issue tickets that constitute Cabotage, and at least one instance of denied boarding has been reported, stranding the passenger. An easily-seen example is travel on Copa from LAX to SJU (via PTY).
Region definitions
C1 North America
C1.5 Caribbean, Bermuda
C2 Europe
C2.5 Middle East
C3 Asia
C4 South America
C5 Africa
C6 Oceania
2X, 3X: in the context of this LifeMiles thread, 2X and 3X refer to any 2nd and 3rd legs of a one-way award ticket.
LifeMiles' Star Alliance Award Chart
Cash & Miles redemptions: buying the max (60%) isn't always the best deal (unless you're purchasing all miles right there). Check here for the best CPM.
Beware of Cabotage: LifeMiles has been known to issue tickets that constitute Cabotage, and at least one instance of denied boarding has been reported, stranding the passenger. An easily-seen example is travel on Copa from LAX to SJU (via PTY).
LM F and J routes (and the occasional trick-it)
Apr 28, 2014, 1:38 am
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Apr 28, 2014, 3:10 am
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In KVS LH MEX-FRA in J August 31st shows no availability but you can get 2 seats in LifeMiles...
Apr 28, 2014, 3:13 am
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Originally Posted by WolfvanWeen
This indicates an obvious interface error with UA, and that should be tackled.
Apr 28, 2014, 3:17 am
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Apr 28, 2014, 3:20 am
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Apr 28, 2014, 3:36 am
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Friends, I need your help. I have done some testing and now know exactly where the current problem is - but only for my account. Could you be so kind and try from your accounts and see whether you encounter the same behaviour or not?
1. Flights where all legs are served by UA show no availability whatsoever, independently of whether UA is forced or StarAlliance is selected (this includes direct flights by UA, of course)
2. Flights that have no leg served by UA are easy to find and book - no problem, no matter how far I tweak the input ;-)
3. AND MOST IMPORTANTLY: Flights where one or more of the legs are served by UA (but not all), display, i.e. also show UA availability, even if those legs wouldn't have avaliability as a direct flight), but err out when I click on continue.
This indicates an obvious interface error with UA, and that should be tackled.
And of course, this could be the reason why chainsaw and gummybear seem gone.
1. Flights where all legs are served by UA show no availability whatsoever, independently of whether UA is forced or StarAlliance is selected (this includes direct flights by UA, of course)
2. Flights that have no leg served by UA are easy to find and book - no problem, no matter how far I tweak the input ;-)
3. AND MOST IMPORTANTLY: Flights where one or more of the legs are served by UA (but not all), display, i.e. also show UA availability, even if those legs wouldn't have avaliability as a direct flight), but err out when I click on continue.
This indicates an obvious interface error with UA, and that should be tackled.
And of course, this could be the reason why chainsaw and gummybear seem gone.
1. If UA F is available, ok. Otherwise, some routes even I see J shows it will error out going to step 3.
2. I was going to say NO since I couldn't book simple route like JFK-ICN on OZ. To my surprise, I just tried and it works now. Still, route like JFK-ICN-HKG I don't see the same availability as UA website. Much, much less availability from LM. Phantom from UA? I don't know. But in general, statement #2 seems to be true.
3. Again, if UA F is available, ok. Otherwise, even Y/J show availability it will error out.
Apr 28, 2014, 3:52 am
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Apr 28, 2014, 4:14 am
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Even for the screenshot you shared... LM shows availability on September 1st, KVS shows 0.
Or check MEX-MUC on 31st (KVS=0; LM=2)
Don't want to spam this thread further with the KVS tool, so feel free to PM if you need more data
Or check MEX-MUC on 31st (KVS=0; LM=2)
Don't want to spam this thread further with the KVS tool, so feel free to PM if you need more data
Apr 28, 2014, 4:34 am
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[KVS Availability Tool 7.3.6/Diamond - Awards/AC-StarAlliance/CA]
Code:
MEX Mexico City Metro / Juarez Intl MX = MEX TLC [MMMX]
LHR London Heathrow UK [EGLL]
MON 01 Sep 2014 | 2 Seats
Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive A/C St Availability
--------- ------ ---- -------- ---- -------- --- -- ------------
AV/AV 73 MEX 14:55 BOG 19:20 330 0 CS+
-> AV/AV 120 BOG 21:59 LHR 14:40 +1 330 0 CS+
CM/P5 681 MEX 15:30 BOG 20:14 73G 0 CS+
-> AV/AV 120 BOG 21:59 LHR 14:40 +1 330 0 CS+
AC 990 MEX 23:55 YYZ 05:35 +1 319 0 CS+
-> AC 868 YYZ 08:55 +1 LHR 21:00 +1 763 0 YS+
AC 990 MEX 23:55 YYZ 05:35 +1 319 0 CS+
-> AC 856 YYZ 18:30 +1 LHR 06:25 +2 77L 0 YS+
UA 474 MEX 07:30 ORD 11:35 320 0 YS+
-> UA/G7 3644 ORD 13:15 YUL 16:17 CR7 0 CS+
-> AC 864 YUL 20:05 LHR 07:30 +1 77W 0 YS+
UA 474 MEX 07:30 ORD 11:35 320 0 YS+
-> AC/RS 7416 ORD 15:45 YUL 18:50 E75 0 CS+ YS+
-> AC 864 YUL 20:05 LHR 07:30 +1 77W 0 YS+
Code:
LHR London Heathrow UK [EGLL]
FRA Frankfurt Metro / Intl DE = FRA HHN [EDDF]
TUE 02 Sep 2014 | 2 Seats
Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive A/C St Availability
--------- ------ ---- -------- ---- -------- --- -- ------------
LH 921 LHR 06:30 FRA 09:10 320 0 CS+ YS+
LH 923 LHR 07:30 FRA 10:10 320 0 YS+
LH 925 LHR 08:30 FRA 11:10 32A 0 CS+ YS+
LH 901 LHR 09:30 FRA 12:10 321 0 CS+ YS+
LH 903 LHR 10:20 FRA 13:00 320 0 CS+ YS+
LH 905 LHR 11:45 FRA 14:25 320 0 CS+ YS+
LH 907 LHR 13:30 FRA 16:10 321 0 CS+ YS+
LH 909 LHR 15:30 FRA 18:10 320 0 YS+
LH 911 LHR 16:45 FRA 19:25 320 0 CS+ YS+
LH 915 LHR 17:30 FRA 20:10 321 0 YS+
LH 917 LHR 18:45 FRA 21:25 321 0 CS+ YS+
LH 919 LHR 19:45 FRA 22:25 321 0 CS+ YS+
LH 3389 LHR 07:05 DUS 09:25 320 0 YS+
-> LH 77 DUS 10:20 FRA 11:15 320 0 YS+
LH 2483 LHR 06:50 MUC 09:40 319 0 YS+
-> LH 103 MUC 11:00 FRA 12:05 321 0 YS+
LH 2485 LHR 07:40 MUC 10:30 321 0 YS+
-> LH 105 MUC 12:00 FRA 13:05 319 0 YS+
LH 2471 LHR 09:05 MUC 11:55 320 0 YS+
-> LH 107 MUC 13:00 FRA 14:05 321 0 YS+
LH 2473 LHR 11:05 MUC 13:55 321 0 YS+
-> LH 111 MUC 15:00 FRA 16:05 320 0 YS+
LH 2475 LHR 13:50 MUC 16:40 321 0 YS+
-> LH 117 MUC 18:00 FRA 19:05 320 0 YS+
LH 2477 LHR 16:15 MUC 19:05 320 0 YS+
-> LH 121 MUC 20:00 FRA 21:05 320 0 YS+
LH 2477 LHR 16:15 MUC 19:05 320 0 YS+
-> LH 123 MUC 21:00 FRA 22:05 320 0 YS+
LX 317 LHR 08:40 ZRH 11:35 321 0 YS+
-> LX/#S 1072 ZRH 12:15 FRA 13:20 AR1 0 YS+
Apr 28, 2014, 6:34 am
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@KVS: I appreciate the effort but I've now tested quite a few different routes (especially the ones that are of interest for this thread 
) and see many differences between KVS/LM...
) and see many differences between KVS/LM...
Apr 28, 2014, 6:45 am
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FWIW, in my experience of ... investigating LM's results, depending on how you search, your search results will differ. did you have breakfast? Did you not? Does your LM number start with an odd number? Is your LM account old or new? Pretty much all of the above give different results. Also the phase of the moon. It's a complete clusterf*k trying to parse their search results. So I doubt either KVS or anyone else will ever fully match LM.com simply because from time to time their own search results don't match each other...
Last edited by Pseudo Nim; Apr 28, 2014 at 7:15 am
Apr 28, 2014, 2:00 pm
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CandyAnimal and Woodcutting Tool! Ha. Soooo much better than the other names 
Apr 28, 2014, 2:09 pm
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