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noobalert May 8, 2019 6:46 pm

Put my SWU in two months ago but havent seen a peep on my EF alert. Seat map shows 3 open business and 1 blocked seat. Are these truly empty or is it possible theyre sold out but just unassigned?

a rep on the phone said business is sold out, but when I went to AA.com and pretended to buy a business class on that flight, it said 3 available, which is exactly as many open seats as shown on EF not including the blocked seat

Zacnlinc May 8, 2019 7:12 pm

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Why chance a D upgrade fare into F when the I fare is cheaper?

I'm trying to assist a friend with getting a flight to STI and meeting resistance as to why the D fare flight for F (option #2 ) is more expensive than the I fare flight (option #1 ) when both flights are exactly the same otherwise.

Any tips/comments would be greatly appreciated.

nachosdelux May 8, 2019 7:17 pm


Originally Posted by noobalert (Post 31081484)
a rep on the phone said business is sold out, but when I went to AA.com and pretended to buy a business class on that flight, it said 3 available, which is exactly as many open seats as shown on EF not including the blocked seat

did the rep say "business is sold out" or "business is not available"? The latter could have been in reference to an SWU upgrade.

flyingeph12 May 8, 2019 7:22 pm


Originally Posted by Zacnlinc (Post 31081538)
Why chance a D upgrade fare into F when the I fare is cheaper?

I'm trying to assist a friend with getting a flight to STI and meeting resistance as to why the D fare flight for F (option #2 ) is more expensive than the I fare flight (option #1 ) when both flights are exactly the same otherwise.

Any tips/comments would be greatly appreciated.

D is a higher fare class than I, even though both are Business/First. So no surprise that D would be more expensive than I. (And in your particular case, I'm not surprised EWR has I availability, while LGA only has D.)

In general, there's no real reason to choose a D fare over an I fare, all else equal. There are usually fewer I seats available on a given flight, so I is not always available for flights that you want. It also might be easier to do a same-day confirmed change with a D fare, and a D fare might have less restrictive rules.

MorganB May 8, 2019 7:23 pm

That flight is J4 F1 so probably 3 or 4 seats left in J (they sometimes oversell) and 1 in F.

Antarius May 8, 2019 7:53 pm

If the flight is J3, there is a near zero percent chance it will clear before T48 (and honestly, closer to T24 if not the gate)

potus18 May 8, 2019 7:53 pm


Originally Posted by flyingeph12 (Post 31081555)
D is a higher fare class than I, even though both are Business/First. So no surprise that D would be more expensive than I. (And in your particular case, I'm not surprised EWR has I availability, while LGA only has D.)

In general, there's no real reason to choose a D fare over an I fare, all else equal. There are usually fewer I seats available on a given flight, so I is not always available for flights that you want. It also might be easier to do a same-day confirmed change with a D fare, and a D fare might have less restrictive rules.

One other reason to choose a D fare over an I fare is (if it's a three-class aircraft and) the passenger intends to upgrade to F with miles, there's no copay as D counts as full-fare. Never mind, though, if the difference between I and D is greater than $550.

For this itinerary, yeah, no reason to choose D over I.

Zacnlinc May 8, 2019 8:30 pm

Deleted.... Looks Like I quoted the wrong post after my post.

[MENTION=517341]flyingeph12[/MENTION] & [MENTION=857888]potus18[/MENTION] Thanks... I guess that's my friend's sweet spot of habit. And it's news to me indeed. I would have just selected the I fare as the "cheaper" fare and not thought more of the matter since the flights were exactly the same except a flight # change for some reason.

sam2k2002 May 8, 2019 9:16 pm

Hey All - I'm going LA to London and am looking for thoughts/advice on SWU upgrade chances Y>J between the following options:

Option 1: LAX-PHX-LHR
AA194 - 772 (37 J)

Option 2: LAX-DFW-LHR
AA50 - 77W (45 J)

I'm wondering if the relative newness of the PHX-LHR route means it could be less popular (but maybe more popular?). Also wondering if the elite heavy Dallas offsets the extra J seats in the 77W. This is for summer by the way, August 23rd, which is a Friday.

Any thoughts are much appreciated. Thanks!

-Sam

noobalert May 8, 2019 9:23 pm


Originally Posted by nachosdelux (Post 31081549)
did the rep say "business is sold out" or "business is not available"? The latter could have been in reference to an SWU upgrade.

Two agents said business was sold out.

MorganB May 8, 2019 10:15 pm


Originally Posted by noobalert (Post 31081860)
Two agents said business was sold out.

It's not. There is inventory.

dciolli May 8, 2019 11:09 pm


Originally Posted by noobalert (Post 31081860)
Two agents said business was sold out.

What is your routing? The only direct flight I see from ORD-->NRT on 5/12 is on JL. While you can purchase an AA codeshare, you can't use your SWU on non AA metal.

Antarius May 9, 2019 12:22 am


Originally Posted by dciolli (Post 31082093)
What is your routing? The only direct flight I see from ORD-->NRT on 5/12 is on JL. While you can purchase an AA codeshare, you can't use your SWU on non AA metal.

great catch! ^

I checked EF and neither DFW nor LAX to NRT are showing J3 too. The plot thickens...

saleen22 May 10, 2019 1:33 am

DFW to ICN Chances
 
Hi Everyone-

I'm traveling from DFW to ICN on 5/29 on a 787 (30 J seats) and there are 8 seats left in J. I've never not had an SWU clear but I think this is the first time I've really been sweating it out. Any thoughts on chances this one clears?

Antarius May 10, 2019 1:43 am


Originally Posted by saleen22 (Post 31085884)
Hi Everyone-

I'm traveling from DFW to ICN on 5/29 on a 787 (30 J seats) and there are 8 seats left in J. I've never not had an SWU clear but I think this is the first time I've really been sweating it out. Any thoughts on chances this one clears?

the date helps you (Wednesday) , but it's really too far out/unknown to estimate.

EF only goes to J7. How do you know there are 8 seats?


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