Mar 7, 2014, 1:36 pm
Last edit by: JDiver
The current thread for discussing the 767-323ER Thompson Vantage Business Seats is https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-airlines-aadvantage/1542143-boeing-767-300-763-thompson-vantage-business-seat-map-best-seats.html.
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"CIP" Cabin Improvement Program Full Lie Flat Thompson Vantage Seat and All-Aisle Access. 16 of 24 with WiFi, Business with tablets for IFE.
See American Airlines Business Class Seat video in first post [/b][/center]
Due to thread and interest growth, please see 763 / 767 CIP New (2014) Business Seat and Map (master thread). BUSINESS SEAT and BUSINESS CABIN posts have moved to that thread.
NOTE: All currently flying 763s are refurbished.
100% of the active fleet have been converted (as of 30OCT17) (* = wifi available):
- N342AN*, N343AN*, N344AN*, N346AN*, N347AN*, N348AN*, N349AN*, N350AN*, N379AA, N381AN*, N384AA*, N385AM, N388AA, N389AA, N390AA, N391AA, N392AN, N393AN, N394AN, N395AN, N396AN, N397AN*, N398AN, and N399AN*.
The following 34 aircraft have been retired (as of 30OCT17):
- N345AN, N351AA, N352AA, N353AA, N354AA, N355AA, N357AA, N358AA, N39356, N359AA, N360AA, N361AA, N362AA, N363AA, N39364, N39365, N366AA, N39367, N368AA, N369AA, N370AA, N371AA, N372AA, N373AA, N374AA, N7375A, N376AN, N377AN, N378AN, N382AN, N383AN, N386AA, N387AM, N380AN (with N373AA being the final NGBC aircraft retired to Roswell on 30OCT17)
Program details:
- ~26 (46%) of AA's fleet of 57 763 / 767-323ERs have been retained and upgraded with a Cabin Improvement Program - 28 new horizontal lie-flat Thompson Vantage business seats, 14 MCE seats (row 11 gets removed as the business cabin is enlarged), and 163 coach / economy (including 14 exit row) seats. Other upgrades include international satellite Wi-Fi (refit started in 2016), 110V AC power outlets in the business cabin (MCE and coach will retain 15V DC cigarette-lighter style power), new overhead monitors and audio systems, and a refurbishment of lavatories and main cabin seats. No personal in-seat video system was installed - the premium cabin retain the Samsung Galaxy tablets (docked to seatbacks) on international flights, and the main cabin, as well as the premium cabin on domestic flights, will stay with shared overhead screens.
- These aircraft were refurbished for one reason: the AA/BA/IB/AY transatlantic joint business agreement requires that AA have lie-flat seats for transatlantic routes.
- Link to post with artist's rendition of new J cabin. Link to post with new seat maps as they appear in AA.com
- Link to airchive article including pictures, and Link to mycrewlife blog post with more renderings showing the business cabin.
- Link to FT Trip Report with images
- Link to AA's widebody CIP announcement. For 777 upgrades, see thread 777-200ER / 772 No First; New Business Announced 2014 (767 stuff moved).
J-cabin seat map:
Code:
A D G J 2 0_ 0_0_ _0 2 3 _0 _0_0 0_ 3 4 0_ 0_0_ _0 4 5 _0 _0_0 0_ 5 6 0_ 0_0_ _0 6 7 _0 _0_0 0_ 7 8 0_ 0_0_ _0 8 A D G J Legend: 0 = seat; _ = table
Note: the seats in C behind seats with smaller consoles (inside center) have smaller foot cubbies; those with large feet or shoes will feel cramped. Those over six feet will feel cramped if they lie supine in the fully flattened seat; sleeping slanted or side sleeping with bent legs is possible.
In Business they offer a 110 VAC multi-socket in the e-pad front tray area, and another, as well as USB and audio mini jack at shoulder height over and at the rear of the console. Seat controls are touch controls, and can involuntarily be operated by resting your forearm on the console.
The tray table is released with a button; it pivots out and folds. Table height may impede those who are portly or have long legs. Overhead bins, IFE monitors, lavs etc. have not been upgraded.
JDiver's mini-report here.
Contributors: sensei, SDQBound(former B7e7US), Longboater, Econometrics[/COLOR]
ARCHIVE: Boeing 767-300 / 763 "CIP" with Lie Flat Business (2014 CIP)
Mar 7, 2014, 12:43 pm
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At least AA stepped up it's game on the materials chosen. Delta uses the same seats and it looks like a joke.
Mar 7, 2014, 12:44 pm
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I flew 77W j recently and was really surprised it was long enough to sleep. Does
Anyone know if the 763 seats will be cut down? Would be a shame to go from current seats which can accommodate tall passengers if less comfortably to smaller seats like BA J which mean you cannot lie down and sleep. Fingers crossed after success on 77W.
Anyone know if the 763 seats will be cut down? Would be a shame to go from current seats which can accommodate tall passengers if less comfortably to smaller seats like BA J which mean you cannot lie down and sleep. Fingers crossed after success on 77W.
Mar 7, 2014, 1:04 pm
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Renovated 767-300 / 763 with New Business Class Announced for 1 Apr 2014
Mar 7, 2014, 1:21 pm
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That's not why AA picked them. There is no other non-angled lie-flat product offered by any manufacturer on the market for the 767. It's this or angled lie flat.
At least AA stepped up it's game on the materials chosen. Delta uses the same seats and it looks like a joke.
At least AA stepped up it's game on the materials chosen. Delta uses the same seats and it looks like a joke.
Edit to add: Yeah, this is what I was thinking.
Mar 7, 2014, 1:27 pm
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If I recall correctly, this is not the first time your posts have been moved for this reason. Please read the thread titled Welcome to the New American Airlines Forum! PLEASE READ BEFORE POSTING so you can save the moderators having to move your posts over and over and over.
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Mar 7, 2014, 1:28 pm
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Excellent!
About half of the 58 763 fleet will get this, the others will go to ROW or wherever AA will park these (some are likely to go to other airlines for passenger and especially freight service.)
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American Airlines’ first Boeing 767-300ER retrofitted with the airline’s new Business Class cabin and general interior upgrade will perform its inaugural commercial flight on April 1.
The first retrofitted American Airlines Boeing 767-300ER will operate its inaugural commercial service between New York JFK (IATA code JFK) and Zurich Airport (ZRH).
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Mar 7, 2014, 1:31 pm
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<redacted> since AA is retiring its domestic 762 fleet, I guess it is also safe to say that most likely they will also want to get rid of the 10 international 762ERs that US Airways currently operates.
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Mar 7, 2014, 1:32 pm
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Mar 7, 2014, 1:34 pm
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Can't speak for MAH4546, but I personally don't see the fancier finishes as being justification for the delay as much as I'm happy to see they didn't just copy the competition and are at least trying to be one notch (even if it's a small notch) above.
Mar 7, 2014, 1:38 pm
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Looks great. Is this more space efficient than the new seats in the 77W?
These look similar to the ones in JAL's updated 767's
These look similar to the ones in JAL's updated 767's
Mar 7, 2014, 1:40 pm
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Posted this morning (with subsequent discussion thereof) here:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/22480421-post387.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/22480421-post387.html
Mar 7, 2014, 1:55 pm
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Maybe the singletons are better but the center pair are brutal. Indeed, after we landed in ATL, Mrs. SFO told me "don't ever book me on that piece of s*** again."
Mar 7, 2014, 1:58 pm
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AA introduced it's first lie flat product in 2006. It is now introducing it's second generation in 2014, while Delta is still trying to finish converting it's fleet to lie flat. There's no question as to who has been at the head of it's game here - it's AA.
I'm not arguing finished are worth a delay. There is in fact no "delay," AA simply rolled out a lie-flat product earlier, and it naturally aged first. Or is AA supposed to rip out it's seats every 3 years?
Mar 7, 2014, 2:20 pm
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I haven't done/seen the math, but I strongly believe that the new seats AA is installing (the Vantage II) have a higher density, which justify their purchase vs. spacing out the current Recaros to make them go horizontal. I am 100% sure that 100% aisle access is not driving the purchase, but it's a nice byproduct of the seat.
I won't comment on AA's choice of colors (as all marketing pictures are "optimized"/retouched and make anything look good) or materials (which you can't touch on pictures) until I actually see it.
Mar 7, 2014, 2:27 pm
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Didn't AC or some other such airline do a 1x1x1 angled "herringbone" seat on their long haul 767s? It wasn't nearly as space efficient as I recall but I think that would have been at least a non-angle lie-flat option...
Edit to add: Yeah, this is what I was thinking.
Edit to add: Yeah, this is what I was thinking.