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ARCHIVE: Boeing 767-300 / 763 "CIP" with Lie Flat Business (2014 CIP)

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"CIP" Cabin Improvement Program Full Lie Flat Thompson Vantage Seat and All-Aisle Access. 16 of 24 with WiFi, Business with tablets for IFE.

See American Airlines Business Class Seat video in first post
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Due to thread and interest growth, please see 763 / 767 CIP New (2014) Business Seat and Map (master thread). BUSINESS SEAT and BUSINESS CABIN posts have moved to that thread.

NOTE: All currently flying 763s are refurbished.

100% of the active fleet have been converted (as of 30OCT17) (* = wifi available):
  • N342AN*, N343AN*, N344AN*, N346AN*, N347AN*, N348AN*, N349AN*, N350AN*, N379AA, N381AN*, N384AA*, N385AM, N388AA, N389AA, N390AA, N391AA, N392AN, N393AN, N394AN, N395AN, N396AN, N397AN*, N398AN, and N399AN*.

The following 34 aircraft have been retired (as of 30OCT17):
  • N345AN, N351AA, N352AA, N353AA, N354AA, N355AA, N357AA, N358AA, N39356, N359AA, N360AA, N361AA, N362AA, N363AA, N39364, N39365, N366AA, N39367, N368AA, N369AA, N370AA, N371AA, N372AA, N373AA, N374AA, N7375A, N376AN, N377AN, N378AN, N382AN, N383AN, N386AA, N387AM, N380AN (with N373AA being the final NGBC aircraft retired to Roswell on 30OCT17)

Program details:
  • ~26 (46%) of AA's fleet of 57 763 / 767-323ERs have been retained and upgraded with a Cabin Improvement Program - 28 new horizontal lie-flat Thompson Vantage business seats, 14 MCE seats (row 11 gets removed as the business cabin is enlarged), and 163 coach / economy (including 14 exit row) seats. Other upgrades include international satellite Wi-Fi (refit started in 2016), 110V AC power outlets in the business cabin (MCE and coach will retain 15V DC cigarette-lighter style power), new overhead monitors and audio systems, and a refurbishment of lavatories and main cabin seats. No personal in-seat video system was installed - the premium cabin retain the Samsung Galaxy tablets (docked to seatbacks) on international flights, and the main cabin, as well as the premium cabin on domestic flights, will stay with shared overhead screens.

  • These aircraft were refurbished for one reason: the AA/BA/IB/AY transatlantic joint business agreement requires that AA have lie-flat seats for transatlantic routes.

  • Link to post with artist's rendition of new J cabin. Link to post with new seat maps as they appear in AA.com

  • Link to airchive article including pictures, and Link to mycrewlife blog post with more renderings showing the business cabin.

  • Link to FT Trip Report with images

  • Link to AA's widebody CIP announcement. For 777 upgrades, see thread 777-200ER / 772 No First; New Business Announced 2014 (767 stuff moved).

J-cabin seat map:

Code:
   A  D  G  J
 2 0_ 0_0_ _0 2
 3 _0 _0_0 0_ 3
 4 0_ 0_0_ _0 4
 5 _0 _0_0 0_ 5
 6 0_ 0_0_ _0 6
 7 _0 _0_0 0_ 7
 8 0_ 0_0_ _0 8
 A  D  G  J
 
 Legend: 0 = seat; _ = table
Link to SeatGuru 763 seat chart


Note: the seats in C behind seats with smaller consoles (inside center) have smaller foot cubbies; those with large feet or shoes will feel cramped. Those over six feet will feel cramped if they lie supine in the fully flattened seat; sleeping slanted or side sleeping with bent legs is possible.

In Business they offer a 110 VAC multi-socket in the e-pad front tray area, and another, as well as USB and audio mini jack at shoulder height over and at the rear of the console. Seat controls are touch controls, and can involuntarily be operated by resting your forearm on the console.

The tray table is released with a button; it pivots out and folds. Table height may impede those who are portly or have long legs. Overhead bins, IFE monitors, lavs etc. have not been upgraded.

JDiver's mini-report here.

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Old Jun 1, 07, 3:24 pm
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Renovated LAA 767-300 / 763 "CIP" with New Business Class Apr 2014 (Discussion)

<772 related information in 772 CIP thread>

763ERs:
-28 lie-flat J seats
-continued use of Samsung tablets
-14 Main Cabin Extraa seats/167 Main Cabin seats
-retrofit starting in 2014 of HALF of the 763ER fleet

N.B. 773ERs will still get First as planned. 10 will be in service by the end of 2013.

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763ERs:
-continued use of Samsung tablets
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-14 Main Cabin Extraa seats/167 Main Cabin seats
Strange that there are so few MCE seats compared to J.
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Originally Posted by carlosdca View Post
I couldn't agree more. The use of/need for the tablets on the 763 is lame and uncompetitive -- especially since it takes 30+ minutes in flight for them to be distributed, only to be collected 45-60 minutes before landing. If they are going to go through the hassle of reconfiguring the planes it would have been nice for them to include in-seat/built-in IFE technology that every other carrier seems to have no problem implementing.

I'm also NOT a fan of killing F class on the 772 -- but that's because I have been fortunate enough to fly F vs J on three-class IFS service. At least the mini-bar will make up for the lazy service I've often received whenever I have flown in J on 3-three class flights.

No me gusta re this announcement.
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763ERs:
-continued use of Samsung tablets
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Originally Posted by travelsensei View Post
I couldn't agree more. The use of/need for the tablets on the 763 is lame and uncompetitive -- especially since it takes 30+ minutes in flight for them to be distributed, only to be collected 45-60 minutes before landing. If they are going to go through the hassle of reconfiguring the planes it would have been nice for them to include in-seat/built-in IFE technology that every other carrier seems to have no problem implementing.
AA did not purchase the hard wiring required for IFE for the 767 fleet so they cannot add IFE today even if they wanted to. The Samsung tablets will be around as long as those planes are around.
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If the new lie-flat J seats are the same as that of the new CX J seat I could live with the tradeoff of not having any F and having the new J seat on the 763 which would make the Hawaii runs from DFW/ORD a lot nicer, especially on the red-eye coming back. But if they are only going to do half of the 763 fleet and keep Hawaii with the present config this is not only going to *stink* but will cause operational nightmares as equipment swaps for mx and delay reasons will become more difficult. Do the whole 763 fleet and give yourself the flexibility. It's only money.
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...763ERs:...
-14 Main Cabin Extraa seats/167 Main Cabin seats...
Doesn't this put the exit rows into MCE?

Nevermind. Re-looked at seat map; I had forgotten about the "mini-cabin" in coach.

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Originally Posted by sts603 View Post
...763ERs:...
-14 Main Cabin Extraa seats/167 Main Cabin seats...QUOTE]

Doesn't this put the exit rows into MCE?
No I would think that on the 763 - the area forward of the over-wing galley/lavs would be strictly 2 rows of MCE and then perhaps 7 rows of a 1-2-1 configuration. I guess it could also be 9 rows of 1-1-1 (with 10 rows for the center seat) if the seat is going to be the same as the 777.
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763ERs: 14 Main Cabin Extraa seats
Two rows, with 100% certainty that all 14 seats will be filled (even the two middles). I had hoped for more.
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They don't seem to have addressed what they are going to do with the 762 fleet. Anyone has any updates?
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Whatever happened to the analysis saying that sub-fleets are EXPENSIVE to run? Not only they're getting a bunch of new types, which by itself adds to complexity, but they're making the 763s, which not too long ago were converted into a single fleet, into two fleets (the 2006 J and the 2014 J)? And they recently split the 757 fleet into two (with the creation of the 75L)?

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Whatever happened to the analysis saying that sub-fleets are EXPENSIVE to run? Not only they're getting a bunch of new types, which by itself adds to complexity, but they're making the 763s, which not too long ago were converted into a single fleet, into two fleets (the 2006 J and the 2014 J)? And they recently split the 757 fleet into two (with the creation of the 75L)?

The old 763s are going to be retired. Thats why they aren't being converted.
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AA did not purchase the hard wiring required for IFE for the 767 fleet so they cannot add IFE today even if they wanted to. The Samsung tablets will be around as long as those planes are around.
That's not necessarily correct. It's very common to add IFE to planes, especially when another airline buys them used. AA could have added in seat IFE.
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The old 763s are going to be retired. Thats why they aren't being converted.
Ahead of or concurrent with the 762s?

Couldn't imagine them going first unless they're really that much more expensive to operate on transcons than the 762 (due to larger size). I could potentially see the Y mini-cabin becoming two rows of F and having a transcon fleet with F42 and what currently passes for NGBC on int'l flights.
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